Daily Discussion Thread 12/24/16
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 11:06 PM PST
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ESPN's Jacob Wolf on Twitter: "Smash players: stop signing deals with teams just for the sake of it. If they're a startup, question funding. Check them out first."
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 07:55 PM PST
Smash players: stop signing deals with teams just for the sake of it. If they're a startup, question funding. Check them out first.Thoughts?
Still happens regularly with less than top 30 in Melee and happens at all levels of Smash 4.
https://twitter.com/JacobNWolf/status/812505428227747842
https://twitter.com/JacobNWolf/status/812505899919179777
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Vote melee for dreamhack atlanta
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 07:38 AM PST
https://www.facebook.com/events/566401323568244/permalink/612046825670360/
Edit: Keep it up guys Melee is winning by a good margin now. "You gonna win so much you may even get tired of winning"
submitted by /u/sunandmoon1234 Edit: Keep it up guys Melee is winning by a good margin now. "You gonna win so much you may even get tired of winning"
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[A]rmada in 2016 montage!
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 03:54 PM PST
![[A]rmada in 2016 montage!](https://b.thumbs.redditmedia.com/Bh18NnaQWUKB1Iv-TESw9d4wyXmuvARmr8T692SNRtg.jpg "[A]rmada in 2016 montage!") | submitted by /u/shakedrizzle [link] [comments] |
Genesis Saga is sponsored by FoodBeast & Cup Noodles with $2,000 Pot Bonus, $5 Venue Fee, and a food festival!
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 12:35 PM PST
Hey everyone Champ here from 2GG,
We're happy to announce that 2GGC: Genesis Saga will be sponsor by both FoodBeast and Cup Noodles!
What does this mean? It means 3 things:
Pot Bonus
FoodBeast and Cup Noodle will be sponsoring Genesis Saga with $2,000 Pot Bonus! This is part of the $100,000 pot bonus of 2GGC.
$5 Venue Fee
You read that right. If you pay for Genesis Saga venue fee by 12/25, it will only be $5!
You can pay for the venue fee now at NoodsFest website
Asian Food Festival
On January 14th, FoodBeast will be hosting a food festival right in front of eSports Arena! By paying for the venue fee, this will give you access to both Genesis Saga and the food festival.
Get ready to try the best foods from all around the world
Registration for Genesis Saga is now open!
Register for Singles & Doubles by CLICKING HERE
Pay for the venue or spectator fee by CLICKING HERE
2GGC: Genesis Saga will take place at eSports Arena on January 14th, 2017.
submitted by /u/champtang We're happy to announce that 2GGC: Genesis Saga will be sponsor by both FoodBeast and Cup Noodles!
What does this mean? It means 3 things:
Pot Bonus
FoodBeast and Cup Noodle will be sponsoring Genesis Saga with $2,000 Pot Bonus! This is part of the $100,000 pot bonus of 2GGC.
$5 Venue Fee
You read that right. If you pay for Genesis Saga venue fee by 12/25, it will only be $5!
You can pay for the venue fee now at NoodsFest website
Asian Food Festival
On January 14th, FoodBeast will be hosting a food festival right in front of eSports Arena! By paying for the venue fee, this will give you access to both Genesis Saga and the food festival.
Get ready to try the best foods from all around the world
Registration for Genesis Saga is now open!
Register for Singles & Doubles by CLICKING HERE
Pay for the venue or spectator fee by CLICKING HERE
2GGC: Genesis Saga will take place at eSports Arena on January 14th, 2017.
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Vote Melee for dreamhack Denver
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 07:35 AM PST
https://m.facebook.com/questions.php?question_id=1847173148835213#_=_
Edit: Keep it up guys Melee is winning by a good margin now. "You gonna win so much you may even get tired of winning"
submitted by /u/sunandmoon1234 Edit: Keep it up guys Melee is winning by a good margin now. "You gonna win so much you may even get tired of winning"
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Project M is an option for what game you want at Dreamhack! Why not give it a vote??
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 02:12 PM PST
Melee Light Christmas update!
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 02:28 PM PST
http://ikneedata.com/meleelight
Hey guys, since the debut, the dev team has really grown with some really awesome talented people joining us. Most of the time has been spent cleaning up the code and making it easy to read, manage and contribute towards.
But in the spirit of christmas, we wanted to transform the environment to reflect the season and give you a taste of things to come.
What's new?
submitted by /u/schmooblidon Hey guys, since the debut, the dev team has really grown with some really awesome talented people joining us. Most of the time has been spent cleaning up the code and making it easy to read, manage and contribute towards.
But in the spirit of christmas, we wanted to transform the environment to reflect the season and give you a taste of things to come.
What's new?
- Electron app (Melee Light as a standalone program)
- Improved input interpretation accuracy
- AI upgrade
- Randall
- Lots of bug fixes and controller support
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Am I the Only One Worried About Over-Saturation?
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 11:40 AM PST
I'm all for the resurgence of Smash 64 and even Brawl, and One Unit is great, but I feel like...we don't need every smash game at every tournament that isn't strictly a smash event.
I've been hearing people talk about 64 being at Dreamhack and Brawl somehow making a comeback at Evo. Don't you guy think 4 smash game is a little overdoing it? 64 and Brawl at Genesis, SSC, TBH, CEO Dreamland, yeah I get it. I'm all for all 4 games being there, but I just think that as a spectator I would want just Melee and Smash 4 at other events like Evo, Dreamhack (lets go Smash 4 Dreamhack!), etc.
Someone tell me if I'm wrong and why, but I really just feel like we would be over-saturating the other tournaments.
Edit: I'm just an idiot who loves smash and doesn't want to make us look like entitled babies who are whining for all of our games to be at traditionally "not exclusively smash" events. Don't take my opinions to heart, but keep up the discussion. thumbs up
submitted by /u/find_her I've been hearing people talk about 64 being at Dreamhack and Brawl somehow making a comeback at Evo. Don't you guy think 4 smash game is a little overdoing it? 64 and Brawl at Genesis, SSC, TBH, CEO Dreamland, yeah I get it. I'm all for all 4 games being there, but I just think that as a spectator I would want just Melee and Smash 4 at other events like Evo, Dreamhack (lets go Smash 4 Dreamhack!), etc.
Someone tell me if I'm wrong and why, but I really just feel like we would be over-saturating the other tournaments.
Edit: I'm just an idiot who loves smash and doesn't want to make us look like entitled babies who are whining for all of our games to be at traditionally "not exclusively smash" events. Don't take my opinions to heart, but keep up the discussion. thumbs up
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Pulse|Vayseth, UR|Sage, PG|suar join together to release a podcast, The Set Count
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 03:53 PM PST
https://twitter.com/TheSetCount/status/812444648413261824
Follow The Set Count on Twitter @TheSetCount !!
TSC is a a weekly podcast that blends together the coverage by PGstats' suar and Pulse's Vayseth of results, tournaments, and story lines in the Smash 4 Wii U Community.
This initiative is made possible through Unrivaled Tournaments' Sage who will be mixing and coordinating the podcast online for everyone to enjoy on the go or at home.
Our first show will be out in the middle of next week so be sure to tune in when it's out!
Happy Holidays :3
See ya soon, TSC.
submitted by /u/5uar5uar Follow The Set Count on Twitter @TheSetCount !!
TSC is a a weekly podcast that blends together the coverage by PGstats' suar and Pulse's Vayseth of results, tournaments, and story lines in the Smash 4 Wii U Community.
This initiative is made possible through Unrivaled Tournaments' Sage who will be mixing and coordinating the podcast online for everyone to enjoy on the go or at home.
Our first show will be out in the middle of next week so be sure to tune in when it's out!
Happy Holidays :3
See ya soon, TSC.
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Japan Smash Cup 2016 Tournament (Tokai) is tonight! Ft. Moyashi, ｋｙｓｋ, Fukurou, Bonobono, Nangoku, Yu-kun, Cafe, Maguro, Kurabba, Wangera, and G3 Champion, Wario.
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 05:55 PM PST
One of the most anticipated Smash 64 tournaments of the year is starting tonight at 12:30AM EST!
It has a ¥200,000 (~$2,000) prize pool from sponsors, which has never happened in Japan. Wario has even registered for the tournament having been on a long hiatus since winning Genesis 3! Many strong players have registered such as Wangera, Fukurou, ｋｙｓｋ, Maguro, Moyashi, Kurabba, Bonobono, Cafe, Nangoku, Shizuku, Hiyo, and Merihim!
Translation from Tournament Management:
This is expected to be a large scale tournament. Lack of equipment (consoles, CRTs) might be a problem. So we want players and spectators to bring equipment. We might offer discounts or some other reward for doing so.
And this time of the tournament we are very thankful for the support of our sponsors. If we get more participants, we can get more sponsors. So because of the success of this tournament, we want to gather the participants or spectators. Friends, I would like to invite those who are interested in Smash Bros. 64. For the development of the future of the 64 Smash Bros. world, is a selfish hope but thank you for your cooperation please.
11:30PM ~ 12: 30AM Reception
12:30AM ~ 1:00AM Explanation of Rules
1:00AM ~ 4:30AM Start Matches
4:30AM ~ 5:00AM Announce Results
5:30AM Tournament Drinking Party
Day 2
5:30PM ~ 6:00PM Reception
8:00PM ~ 2:00AM Final Matches
2:00AM ~ 2:30AM Announce Results/Grant Reward
2:30AM ~ 3:00AM End Tournament
http://com.nicovideo.jp/community/co3534703
Please share this news using this hashtag #JSC64 and try to stay awake for this holiday tournament!
NOTE: I will try and keep matches updated in English when they go live on stream through tweeting here.
submitted by /u/zeminos It has a ¥200,000 (~$2,000) prize pool from sponsors, which has never happened in Japan. Wario has even registered for the tournament having been on a long hiatus since winning Genesis 3! Many strong players have registered such as Wangera, Fukurou, ｋｙｓｋ, Maguro, Moyashi, Kurabba, Bonobono, Cafe, Nangoku, Shizuku, Hiyo, and Merihim!
Translation from Tournament Management:
This is expected to be a large scale tournament. Lack of equipment (consoles, CRTs) might be a problem. So we want players and spectators to bring equipment. We might offer discounts or some other reward for doing so.
And this time of the tournament we are very thankful for the support of our sponsors. If we get more participants, we can get more sponsors. So because of the success of this tournament, we want to gather the participants or spectators. Friends, I would like to invite those who are interested in Smash Bros. 64. For the development of the future of the 64 Smash Bros. world, is a selfish hope but thank you for your cooperation please.
JAPAN SMASH CUP TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE (ALL in EST Times)
Day 111:30PM ~ 12: 30AM Reception
12:30AM ~ 1:00AM Explanation of Rules
1:00AM ~ 4:30AM Start Matches
4:30AM ~ 5:00AM Announce Results
5:30AM Tournament Drinking Party
Day 2
5:30PM ~ 6:00PM Reception
8:00PM ~ 2:00AM Final Matches
2:00AM ~ 2:30AM Announce Results/Grant Reward
2:30AM ~ 3:00AM End Tournament
Streamed on Twitch:
http://twitch.tv/ayatama0901
If you would rather like to watch the tournament on Niconico, please go here:http://com.nicovideo.jp/community/co3534703
Please share this news using this hashtag #JSC64 and try to stay awake for this holiday tournament!
NOTE: I will try and keep matches updated in English when they go live on stream through tweeting here.
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/r/SmashBros's - 2016 - 20 Best - Day 14
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 01:59 PM PST
Welcome to an ongoing poll where we will try to see what /r/smashbros thinks are the 20 best Melee players of 2016.
Yesterday:
The rules:
Vote here: S2J, Duck, ChuDat, Nintendude, PewPewU.
submitted by /u/n3buchadnezzar Yesterday:
- Wizzrobe won the poll yesterday making him the 13th best player of 2016!
- ChuDat recieved 39 upvotes, and has been added to the poll. Thanks to /u/HonestRage for the nomination.
The rules:
- Vote in the poll below for who you think is the best player in the group.
- Nominate a player to be added to the poll in the comments, Do not nominate someone if you see that they've already been nominated.
- Upvote nomination that you want to see happen. DO NOT downvote nominations.
- If you're interested in seeing as many people's opinions as possible, please upvote this thread for visibility.
Vote here: S2J, Duck, ChuDat, Nintendude, PewPewU.
| Position | Player | Sponsor | Character |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Armada | (SponsorAlliance) | (Peach) / (Fox) |
| 2 | Hungrybox | (SponsorTL) | (Puff) |
| 3 | Mango | (SponsorC9) | (Fox) (Falco) / (Marth) |
| 4 | Mew2King | (SponsorMVG) (SponsorEchoFox) | (Sheik) (Marth) / (Fox) |
| 5 | Leffen | (SponsorTSM) (SponsorRedbull) | (Fox) |
| 6 | Plup | (SponsorPG) | (Sheik) (Samus) / (Fox) |
| 7 | SFAT | (SponsorCLG) | (Fox) / (Marth) |
| 8 | Westballz | (SponsorG2) | (Falco) / (Fox) (CF) |
| 9 | Axe | (SponsorTempo) | (Pikachu) / (Falco) (YL) |
| 10 | Swedish Delight | RNG | (Sheik) / (Peach) (Luigi) |
| 11 | Shroomed | Immortals | (Sheik) / (Marth) |
| 12 | Ice | LG | (Fox) |
| 13 | Wizzrobe | (SponsorCOG) | (CF) |
- We are now using an instant runoff system. Please rank as many of the candidates as possible =)
- PPMD and Hax are again excluded from being voted in due to inactivity. KREYGASM Genesis 4 bois!
- Inspired by newbzoors' previous ranking of /r/smashbros 30 Best in 30 Days.
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Hungrybox ending opponents career
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 01:03 PM PST
NAKAT short circuits
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 08:38 PM PST
'The man is afraid... I want to hear call-outs, I want to see exhibitions, I want to see rivalries' - Day on ZeRo and the Smash community
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 11:13 AM PST
This is part one of two of my interview with Day, a very notable Lucario player (widely considered the best Lucario player). The second part will be posted here about Lucario as well, tomorrow.
'The man is afraid... I want to hear call-outs, I want to see exhibitions, I want to see rivalries' - Day on ZeRo and the Smash community
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/dec/23/man-afraid-i-want-hear-call-outs-i-want-see-exhibitions-i-want-see-rivalries-day-zero-and-smash-community/
submitted by /u/AdaptiveTrigger 'The man is afraid... I want to hear call-outs, I want to see exhibitions, I want to see rivalries' - Day on ZeRo and the Smash community
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/dec/23/man-afraid-i-want-hear-call-outs-i-want-see-exhibitions-i-want-see-rivalries-day-zero-and-smash-community/
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/r/smashbros's 40 Best in 40 Days - Day 32
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 04:05 PM PST
So few responses... please upvote if you'd like to see what people think
Welcome to an ongoing poll where we will try to see who /r/smashbros thinks are the 40 best Smash 4 players of 2016.
Yesterday, CaptainZack won the poll with 13/41 (31.7%) of the vote.
Day got the most upvotes yesterday and thus was added to the poll. Thanks to /u/RsMistilteinn for the nomination!
How it works:
Vote here: Day, Elegant, Samsora, ScAtt, Tyrant, WaDi
Once you vote, if you could upvote for visibility that would be great :3
submitted by /u/kenniky Welcome to an ongoing poll where we will try to see who /r/smashbros thinks are the 40 best Smash 4 players of 2016.
Yesterday, CaptainZack won the poll with 13/41 (31.7%) of the vote.
Day got the most upvotes yesterday and thus was added to the poll. Thanks to /u/RsMistilteinn for the nomination!
How it works:
- Vote in the poll each day for whoever you think is the best out of the 6 options. Please try to consider the entirety of 2016 when ranking people.
- Nominate people in the comments section below
- Please do not make meme nominations, they will not be added
- Anyone eligible for PGR v2 is eligible for this poll, including Hyuga
- Upvote whoever you think deserves to be in the running please do not downvote people though
- The next day, whoever has the most upvotes will be added to the poll.
Vote here: Day, Elegant, Samsora, ScAtt, Tyrant, WaDi
Once you vote, if you could upvote for visibility that would be great :3
| Rank | Player | Region | Characters |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | TSM ⏐ ZeRo | SoCal / Tristate | Diddy Kong |
| 2 | C9 ⏐ Ally | Midwest / Canada (Quebec) | Mario |
| 3 | NRG ⏐ Nairo | Tristate | ZSS, Bowser |
| 4 | RNG ⏐ Dabuz | Tristate | Rosalina, Olimar |
| 5 | SF HDG ⏐ MKLEO | Mexico | Marth, Cloud, Meta Knight |
| 6 | eLv ⏐ Larry Lurr | SoCal | Fox, DK |
| 7 | Mr.R | Europe (Netherlands) | Sheik, Cloud |
| 8 | LG ⏐ Abadango | Japan (East) | Mewtwo, Meta Knight |
| 9 | CLG ⏐ VoiD | SoCal | Sheik |
| 10 | IMT ⏐ ANTi | Tristate | Mario, Cloud, ZSS |
| 11 | 2GG ⏐ komorikiri | Japan (West) | Sonic, Cloud |
| 12 | Ranai | Japan (West) | Villager |
| 13 (UGC ends) | MVG CT ⏐ Salem | Tristate | Bayonetta |
| 14 | DNG ⏐ Kameme | Japan (East) | Megaman |
| 15 | DNL ⏐ Marss | New England | ZSS |
| 16 | SS ⏐ Mr.E | Tristate | Marth |
| 17 | PG ⏐ ESAM | Florida | Pikachu |
| 18 | KEN | Japan (East) | Sonic |
| 19 | Tweek | Tristate | Cloud |
| 20 | Zinoto | Midwest | Diddy |
| 21 | FOX MVG ⏐ Mew2King | Florida | Cloud |
| 22 | Earth | Japan (East) | Pit, Corrin |
| 23 | Hyuga | Mexico | Toon Link |
| 24 | VGBC ⏐ Pink Fresh | MD/VA | Bayonetta |
| 25 | Rich Brown | SoCal | Mewtwo |
| 26 (ZeRo Saga ends) | Circa ⏐ 6WX | Tristate | Sonic |
| 27 | FS ⏐ Fatality | Georgia | Captain Falcon |
| 28 | FOW | Las Vegas | Ness |
| 29 | PG ⏐ Trela | Texas (Houston) | Ryu |
| 30 | Dath | Florida | Robin |
| 31 | CaptainZack | Louisiana | Bayonetta |
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Who Are the Nicest Smashers?
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 06:24 AM PST
Who are the nicest smashers in any of the smash games? I've heard lots of stories about how many smash players are way nicer than expected when people meet them at tourneys and such.
EDIT(s): Axe seems to be one of the favorites, I hope I can meet him soon! (It's a few hours later, and the Axe commendations just keep coming! wow!) "Surprisingly", HBox isn't actually the literal definition of sin and bad manners. In fact, I've heard good things about all of the Gods+Leffen! DizzKidBoogie sounds really nice too, in contrast to what you'd think from Twitch chat and tourney crowds ;). Other notable people are Mr. R, Dabuz, Samsora, Amsah, aMSa, SFAT, PPU, KirbyKaze, Shroomed and many many more.
My final draw from all this is that Axe qualifies for sainthood and the rest are pretty normal dudes.
submitted by /u/Absolutely_Not_Zero EDIT(s): Axe seems to be one of the favorites, I hope I can meet him soon! (It's a few hours later, and the Axe commendations just keep coming! wow!) "Surprisingly", HBox isn't actually the literal definition of sin and bad manners. In fact, I've heard good things about all of the Gods+Leffen! DizzKidBoogie sounds really nice too, in contrast to what you'd think from Twitch chat and tourney crowds ;). Other notable people are Mr. R, Dabuz, Samsora, Amsah, aMSa, SFAT, PPU, KirbyKaze, Shroomed and many many more.
My final draw from all this is that Axe qualifies for sainthood and the rest are pretty normal dudes.
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Vote smash 64 for Dreamhack Atlanta!
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 04:31 PM PST
Vote Smash 4 for dreamhack atlanta
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 12:44 PM PST
Saskatchewan has been planning RNS8: Locus Saga for a little while now to celebrate his return, after his crazy run at Zero Saga I decided to make a little trailer to hype it up. Enjoy!
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 10:00 AM PST
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2GG and the Smash Circuit - Thoughts and Concerns
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 12:29 PM PST
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of a Smash 4 Championship Circuit. The sheer existence of a circuit legitimizes the Smash 4 competitive scene and gives us a level of professionalism and competition that is unprecedented in the history of the entire Smash Bros. series. Shoutouts to @champtang and @2GGaming for their work - they've really done an excellent job on pushing our scene to the next level of "eSports" and ensuring that we, as an eSport, are taken seriously. They've made huge efforts to grow our scene and put our scene's top talent on display for the world to see. Their efforts should not go unrecognized - we would not be where we are, as a scene, without their efforts to push us to the next level.
That does, however, bring me to my next point.
With the existence of monthly Sagas (all of which mean something now, as winning a Saga means you qualify for the Championship), I am concerned that smaller and more-grassroots scenes will take a hit and struggle to grow as a result. The majority of top-level players (think PGR or even somewhat notable) will most likely attend every Saga they can (especially if they haven't won one previously), as attending every Saga will give them the biggest chance of qualifying for the Championship. Additionally, most players typically can't fund travel to multiple tournaments in the same month. If the only entry point to this prestigious circuit lies in SoCal, other regions' larger tournaments will undeniably take a hit when it comes to attracting talent. I don't think that kind of geographic centralization is healthy for the Smash 4 scene.
If these assumptions are correct, then this will make it very hard for scenes to grow as the probability of gathering top-level Smash 4 talent in one place will be, as a result of the Sagas, extremely low. Unless you're running a supermajor with an ample pot bonus or a considerable history (Genesis, EVO, TBH), it's going to be very, very hard to gather top talent in one place. They'll go to the tournaments that will benefit them the most (the Sagas), and grassroots tournaments will struggle to drum up interest and grow their scenes as a result. As an aspiring TO, that's discouraging.
This theory, that tournaments without ample top talent do not get attention from the community, was confirmed by Don't Park on the Grass a few weeks ago. Despite being a hype tournament with MVD, ESAM, and DKWill coming out, there was so little interest in the Smash 4 side of Don't Park on the Grass that, despite a high level of play, we struggled to break 200 viewers for Top 8 (including Grand Finals). Though we may have been competing directly with ZeRo Saga for viewership, this low viewership number falls in line with many other events that, despite a few globally-relevant players, a pot bonus, and high-levels of gameplay, struggled to attain relevance within the scene.
See the problem?
Without a significant amount of top-level talent in attendance, people aren't enticed to tune into grassroots tournaments showcasing unknown regions. And, with the circuit now being everyone's primary focus, top-level talent to said tournaments will be even less likely. This is discouraging to not only grassroots tournaments, but unknown scenes as well.
While I respect Champ a great deal, and am excited to see the talent that the Circuit draws out of people, I would much rather see the Circuit partnering with tournaments around the nation and world, rather than have all the Circuit tournaments in California. This would give grassroots tournaments and unknown scenes a chance to shine against the world's best players, while still having the hype that 2GG and the Circuit will be known for. Instead, under the current format, grassroots tournaments will be forced to create ludicrous pot bonuses and the like in order to entice these players - something that we cannot reasonably expect them to do due to their grassroots nature.
I am happy for the eSport of Smash. Champ and 2GG have both done a great job in advancing it and pushing it to the next level.
I am concerned about the future of Smash in smaller regions. Many regions deserve the chance to shine and deserve to have their tournaments and scenes highlighted by the community. Without the attendance of top-level talent, I don't believe that can happen. And I don't believe that top-level attendance at these events will happen all that often now that we have the circuit.
I'd love to talk with Champ and 2GG about ways to roll this out that don't stifle regional growth elsewhere. Perhaps other designated events could award half points or build toward bringing out-of-region players in for a travel-oriented saga at the end of the season. These are just some ideas to get the conversation started--I'd love to hear some of yours!
Thanks for reading.
submitted by /u/PepperedBiscotti That does, however, bring me to my next point.
With the existence of monthly Sagas (all of which mean something now, as winning a Saga means you qualify for the Championship), I am concerned that smaller and more-grassroots scenes will take a hit and struggle to grow as a result. The majority of top-level players (think PGR or even somewhat notable) will most likely attend every Saga they can (especially if they haven't won one previously), as attending every Saga will give them the biggest chance of qualifying for the Championship. Additionally, most players typically can't fund travel to multiple tournaments in the same month. If the only entry point to this prestigious circuit lies in SoCal, other regions' larger tournaments will undeniably take a hit when it comes to attracting talent. I don't think that kind of geographic centralization is healthy for the Smash 4 scene.
If these assumptions are correct, then this will make it very hard for scenes to grow as the probability of gathering top-level Smash 4 talent in one place will be, as a result of the Sagas, extremely low. Unless you're running a supermajor with an ample pot bonus or a considerable history (Genesis, EVO, TBH), it's going to be very, very hard to gather top talent in one place. They'll go to the tournaments that will benefit them the most (the Sagas), and grassroots tournaments will struggle to drum up interest and grow their scenes as a result. As an aspiring TO, that's discouraging.
This theory, that tournaments without ample top talent do not get attention from the community, was confirmed by Don't Park on the Grass a few weeks ago. Despite being a hype tournament with MVD, ESAM, and DKWill coming out, there was so little interest in the Smash 4 side of Don't Park on the Grass that, despite a high level of play, we struggled to break 200 viewers for Top 8 (including Grand Finals). Though we may have been competing directly with ZeRo Saga for viewership, this low viewership number falls in line with many other events that, despite a few globally-relevant players, a pot bonus, and high-levels of gameplay, struggled to attain relevance within the scene.
See the problem?
Without a significant amount of top-level talent in attendance, people aren't enticed to tune into grassroots tournaments showcasing unknown regions. And, with the circuit now being everyone's primary focus, top-level talent to said tournaments will be even less likely. This is discouraging to not only grassroots tournaments, but unknown scenes as well.
While I respect Champ a great deal, and am excited to see the talent that the Circuit draws out of people, I would much rather see the Circuit partnering with tournaments around the nation and world, rather than have all the Circuit tournaments in California. This would give grassroots tournaments and unknown scenes a chance to shine against the world's best players, while still having the hype that 2GG and the Circuit will be known for. Instead, under the current format, grassroots tournaments will be forced to create ludicrous pot bonuses and the like in order to entice these players - something that we cannot reasonably expect them to do due to their grassroots nature.
I am happy for the eSport of Smash. Champ and 2GG have both done a great job in advancing it and pushing it to the next level.
I am concerned about the future of Smash in smaller regions. Many regions deserve the chance to shine and deserve to have their tournaments and scenes highlighted by the community. Without the attendance of top-level talent, I don't believe that can happen. And I don't believe that top-level attendance at these events will happen all that often now that we have the circuit.
I'd love to talk with Champ and 2GG about ways to roll this out that don't stifle regional growth elsewhere. Perhaps other designated events could award half points or build toward bringing out-of-region players in for a travel-oriented saga at the end of the season. These are just some ideas to get the conversation started--I'd love to hear some of yours!
Thanks for reading.
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r/smashbros Top 20 Melee Sets of 2016 - Day 2
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 04:13 PM PST
Hello! This is a thread where we'll see what r/smashbros thinks are the Top 20 Melee Sets of 2016!
Yesterday, we voted on the best Melee set in 2016! The winner was Hungrybox vs Armada at Evo 2016! Thank you to everyone who voted and nominated!
In return, the nominated set was Mango vs Armada at The Big House 6!
Current Sets
Armada vs Mango - The Big House 6 - Grand Finals
Hax$ vs Westballz - Super Nebulous 4 - Winner's Semis
Armada vs Mango - Genesis 3 - Grand Finals
Westballz vs Leffen - BEAST 6 - Winner's Semis
Mew2King vs Plup - CEO 2016 - Winner's Semis
How this vote works
Poll: Mango/Armada(TBH6), Hax/Westballz, Mango/Armada(G3), Westballz/Leffen, Mew2King/Plup
submitted by /u/flinnerjon Yesterday, we voted on the best Melee set in 2016! The winner was Hungrybox vs Armada at Evo 2016! Thank you to everyone who voted and nominated!
In return, the nominated set was Mango vs Armada at The Big House 6!
Current Sets
Armada vs Mango - The Big House 6 - Grand Finals
Hax$ vs Westballz - Super Nebulous 4 - Winner's Semis
Armada vs Mango - Genesis 3 - Grand Finals
Westballz vs Leffen - BEAST 6 - Winner's Semis
Mew2King vs Plup - CEO 2016 - Winner's Semis
How this vote works
- Choose what you think the best set is in the poll below
- Nominate a set to be added to the poll. Please provide an explanation and a VOD to the set.
- Upvote what sets you want added to the poll
- Tomorrow, the set with the most upvotes will be added to the poll
- Any set is eligible for nomination. Singles, Doubles, Round 1 Pools, Grand Finals
- Please, PLEASE do not downvote people.
- Upvote this thread if you'd like to see more people's opinion on the ranking!
Poll: Mango/Armada(TBH6), Hax/Westballz, Mango/Armada(G3), Westballz/Leffen, Mew2King/Plup
| Rank | Player 1 | Player 2 | Tournament | Result | VOD |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Hungrybox Jigglypuff | Armada Fox | EVO 2016 | 6-4 | VOD |
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Is this the biggest coincidence ever or is there something about GSP that I don't know about?
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 08:55 PM PST
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Casual Jigglypuff 3 - How to rest with style in free for alls
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 07:34 AM PST
https://youtu.be/axRwq1vW9dI
Jigglypuff's competitive meta is stale. That's why I've decided to push the casual meta even further.
Do you want to try these combos, but have no friends to play casually with? Join the official Casual Smash 4 Discord Server! https://discord.gg/efvWztu
submitted by /u/Kojipuff Jigglypuff's competitive meta is stale. That's why I've decided to push the casual meta even further.
Do you want to try these combos, but have no friends to play casually with? Join the official Casual Smash 4 Discord Server! https://discord.gg/efvWztu
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/r/SmashBros's - 2016 - 20 Best Smash 4 Sets - Day 4
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 03:33 PM PST
Welcome to an ongoing poll where we will try to see what /r/smashbros thinks are the 20 best Smash 4 sets of 2016.
Yesterday, iStudying vs ESAM Losers Finals at B.E.A.S.T 6 won the poll with 19/67 (28.4%) of the vote.
Mew2King vs ZeRo Winners Quarters at Get On My Level 2016 got the most upvotes yesterday and thus was added to the poll. Thanks to /u/kenniky for the nomination!
How it works:
VODs:
Vote here: FOW/Fatality, Mew2King/ZeRo, Nairo/VoiD KTAR XVIII, Ranai/Dabuz, Ally/ZeRo, Nairo/VoiD Aba Saga
submitted by /u/Matt_192 Yesterday, iStudying vs ESAM Losers Finals at B.E.A.S.T 6 won the poll with 19/67 (28.4%) of the vote.
Mew2King vs ZeRo Winners Quarters at Get On My Level 2016 got the most upvotes yesterday and thus was added to the poll. Thanks to /u/kenniky for the nomination!
How it works:
- Vote in the poll below for what you think is the best group in the set.
- Nominate a set to be added to the poll in the comments. Do not nominate a set if you see that they've already been nominated. Please post a VOD or video link to the set, as well as a reason why the set should be nominated (excellent play, the meaning of the set, etc).
- Upvote the sets that you would like to see on the poll.
- The next day, the set with the most upvotes will be added to the poll.
- Grand Finals Bracket Resets count as the same set - just one bigger set.
- Singles and Doubles sets are eligible for nomination.
- Please do not downvote people.
- Please remember to upvote this thread if you want to see more people's opinions in this ranking!
VODs:
- Ally vs. ZeRo Grand Finals at GOML 2016 - VOD
- Nairo vs VoiD Winners Quarters at 2GGT: Abadango Saga - VOD
- FOW vs Fatality Losers Round 3 at 2GGT: ZeRo Saga - VOD
- Mew2King vs ZeRo Winners Quarters at Get On My Level 2016 - VOD
- Nairo vs VoiD Losers Semis at KTAR XVIII - VOD
- Ranai vs Dabuz Losers Eighths at EVO 2016 - VOD
Vote here: FOW/Fatality, Mew2King/ZeRo, Nairo/VoiD KTAR XVIII, Ranai/Dabuz, Ally/ZeRo, Nairo/VoiD Aba Saga
| Rank | Player 1 | Player 2 | Tournament | Result | VOD |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | TSM ZeRo (Sheik) | Ranai (Villager) | Genesis 3 | 3-2 | VOD |
| 2 | VGBC Pink Fresh (Bayonetta) | Denial Marss (Zero Suit Samus) | 2GGT: KTAR Saga | 3-2 | VOD |
| 3 | iStudying (Greninja) | PG ESAM (Pikachu) | B.E.A.S.T 6 | 3-2 | VOD |
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The Midwest Mayhem 6 crew battle, SoCal vs Midwest, has been expanded to 7v7! Aarvark (SoCal) and Yeti (Midwest) are the latest additions.
Posted: 23 Dec 2016 11:06 AM PST
Tweet announcing the expansion
SoCal Crew Invasion trailer
Midwest Crew Defenders trailer
Invasion Week 7 trailer
Hey guys, Nightwing here. There's an incredibly hype event happening on January 7th, Midwest Mayhem 6!
The full crews are
So please, if you can, come out and attend the event, watch on Twitch, tweet out the event, upvote this topic, etc.
We wanna make sure you are witness to this.
Register here for Midwest Mayhem 6
There's actually a raffle for preregistrants, for a Smash lesson from a few of the best players from SoCal. Register now, save money, and get a chance to have your game stepped up by some of the best players in the country.
submitted by /u/nightwing2024 SoCal Crew Invasion trailer
Midwest Crew Defenders trailer
Invasion Week 7 trailer
Hey guys, Nightwing here. There's an incredibly hype event happening on January 7th, Midwest Mayhem 6!
The full crews are
Midwest
Zinoto, C9 | Ally, JJROCKETS, E2C | DarkShad, UR | Ned, MJG, YetiSoCal
eM | Elegant, eM | Zenyou, K9sbruce, Rich Brown, Tyrant, PG | Zan, AarvarkSo please, if you can, come out and attend the event, watch on Twitch, tweet out the event, upvote this topic, etc.
We wanna make sure you are witness to this.
Register here for Midwest Mayhem 6
There's actually a raffle for preregistrants, for a Smash lesson from a few of the best players from SoCal. Register now, save money, and get a chance to have your game stepped up by some of the best players in the country.
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