Super Smash Bros - Top 16 of Melee Singles has started at Optic Arena, feat. Hbox, None, Wizzrobe, S2J, Absent Page and more


Top 16 of Melee Singles has started at Optic Arena, feat. Hbox, None, Wizzrobe, S2J, Absent Page and more

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 05:16 PM PDT

I haven't seen anywhere on this sub about they tourney and I think a lot of people are unaware of it going on so I am making this post to publicize it a bit. Come check it out:

https://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp

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Daily Discussion Thread 06/09/18

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 12:09 AM PDT

Welcome to the Daily Discussion Thread series on /r/smashbros! Inspired by /r/SSBM and /r/hiphopheads's DDTs, you can post here:

  • General questions about Smash

  • General discussion (tentatively allowing for some off-topic discussion)

  • "Light" content that might not have been allowed as its own post (please keep it about Smash)

Other guidelines:

  • Be good to one another.

  • While DDT can be lax, please abide by our general rules. No linking to illegal/pirated stuff, no flaming, game debates, etc.

  • Please keep your meme spam contained to the sticky comment provided below.

If you have any suggestions about future DDTs or anything else subreddit related, please send them our way! Thanks in advance!

Also, if you want to chat with other /r/smashbros users you can do so via our Discord channel.

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Kamek is a character that's not often suggested for Smash Bros., but he's a magic fighter, I like him a lot and see a bunch of potential in him, which is why I made a moveset for him.

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 12:28 PM PDT

I've been taking requests for characters to draw ever since Smash Switch was announced. Here's hoping that at least one or two of the characters I've drawn will be revealed during E3.

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 03:23 PM PDT

This year's E3 will be all about celebrating Smash. This is our game, this is our time. Make some noise my boys. let's bring all fan together. Most importantly, let's make daddy Sakurai proud!

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 04:29 AM PDT

Can we please remove shiek from the CSS of anthers?

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 03:41 PM PDT

Zelda and sheik are the same character. I've had lots of players dispute matches because I chose the Zelda icon and switched to sheik or vice versa. Obviously they are just salty and will try anything behind their keyboard. Getting rid of the sheik icon all together I think will solve this problem. People on netplay will do anything to win, and its really annoying. Also, general bitch about netplay things thread cause I'm in a bitchy mood.

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Smash for Switch Reaction but it's harmonized and played on violin

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 05:11 AM PDT

E3 sends Axe to E3

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 08:39 AM PDT

God I hope there is another 50 fact extravaganza type thing for smash switch

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 06:11 PM PDT

Would you guys like one? I sure would

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S2J fueled by rage

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 08:02 PM PDT

Saints Gaming Live - RR Pools - EMG Mistake vs Keitaro

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 11:35 AM PDT

Keitaro beats Mistake 2-1 with Falco.


Stream link

Bracket link

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ALPHA 2 - Dabuz vs DA | Sinji - Top 24 Winners

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 04:27 PM PDT


ALPHA 2 - Top 24 Winners - Dabuz vs Sinji

Samuel "Dabuz" Buzby // Twitch | Twitter | Wiki | Sponsor

Dabuz 0 - 2 DA Sinji
--- = Smashville =
--- = Town and City =

Generated by Tournament Tabler


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Comprehensive Smash 4 Matchup Chart - final update

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 05:02 PM PDT

We're THREE DAYS away from the Nintendo E3 Direct, where we'll finally be able to see the new Smash game in action! With this on the horizon and Smash 4 about to close, it's as good a time as any to make a final update to this matchup chart and cease its development.

Complete Spreadsheet <--(best way to view)

Images: Simple View | Detail View | Rank Data | Tier List


This is an amalgamation of every notable player's matchup chart since 2016, only using data from 2017 and onwards. Averaging this all together, it creates a 55x55 grid of matchup data, tier list based on matchup coverage, and various other stats.

If you're interested in the methodology, an explanation is included below. If you're interested in the specific charts included, feel free to dive into the complete spreadsheet yourself!

Interesting Stuff

Check out the spreadsheet for some bonus stats. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Methodology

The process by which the 55x55 grid comes together.

1. Convert each player's chart into simple numbers.

There tend to be 3 styles of matchup chart: numbers, ratios, and descriptions.

For every chart to be included, they need to follow a common structure. Therefore, before doing anything, I convert them all to the number structure, loosely based on this legend.

I say "loosely" because sometimes a unique interpretation needs to be made for certain charts. I don't like to rely on my own interpretation too much, but it's necessary for the particularly interesting chart structures to be "translated" effectively.

2. Create two separate matchup ratios for each character pair.

For every character pair (ex. Sonic vs. Bayo), each ratio is decided by the mains of each character.

For example, for the Sonic vs. Bayonetta matchup, these are the 2 ratios:

  • • Sonics' opinions averaged: we lose -0.6
  • • Bayonettas' opinions averaged: we win +1.0

3. Average those 2 ratios together into an "official" ratio.

For example, the Sonic vs. Bayonetta matchup becomes +0.8 in Bayonetta's favor based on those two numbers (1.0 and 0.6 averaged together is 0.8).

This is to maximize "opinion equality" despite any disparity in character popularity. For example, even if there were 149 Bayonetta charts and only 3 Sonic charts, they'd still have 50% each of the say for the "official" ratio.

Here is an example of this process in the form of a flow chart.

Tier List

The process by which the tier list (rank data) comes together.

1. Separate each character's matchups into "winning", "even", or "losing".

What defines a winning/even/losing matchup?

  • • Losing – less than -0.5
  • • Even – anything in between
  • • Winning – more than +0.5

This is also essentially how the "simple view" section is created, just simple rounding to whole numbers.

2. Give each character a % score based on their overall matchup coverage.

Each character gets points for winning or even matchups.

  • • Losing – 0 points
  • • Even – 0.5 points
  • • Winning – 1 point

The resulting points are then divided by 55, and that is the character's % score.

If a character wins every matchup in the game (55/55), they will have a 100% matchup coverage score. If they lose every matchup in the game (0/55), they will have a 0% matchup coverage score.

Even matchups count as a "half point". If a character has 8 even matchups, 4 of them will count as winning and 4 as losing. If a character goes even with every character in the game, that's 27.5 points. Divided by 55 is .500, or a 50% coverage score.

Side note: dittos count towards the even matchups, so the highest possible score is 54.5/55, lowest is 0.5/55.

Take Zero Suit Samus as an example. She has...

  • • 36 winning matchups (36 points)
  • • 14 even matchups (7 points)
  • • 5 losing matchups (0 points)

That's 43 points altogether. Divided by 55 is .781, or a 78% coverage score.

3. Sort every character by their % score.

Tiers are split into 5 sections:

Tier % score
Top 80%+
High 60-80%
Mid 40-60%
Low 20-40%
Bottom 20%–

This is to get a feel for the "bell curve" of character strength. There are a TON of mid tiers, and very few top/bottom tiers.


Extra Notes

A big thanks to /u/Blaziken1337 for this huge list of charts. Without it, I wouldn't have found half of the ones I did. Others included were found through SSB World and various players I follow on Twitter.

"Ceasing development" simply means I won't be actively looking for charts anymore. If you know of any new matchup charts to add or older ones I missed, please message me and I'd be happy to add them!

There is a very high chance I'll make another one of these for the new Smash (as well as continually update it with new charts), so I'll catch you guys then!

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Westballz & HugS in an Overwatch video?

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 12:17 PM PDT

A Complete History of Super Smash Bros Rumors - Did You Know Gaming? Ft. Remix

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 12:08 PM PDT

JK is apparently unbanned, 6+ months after his alleged attempt of vehicular manslaughter

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 03:31 PM PDT

Alpha II Losers Quarters - Vinnie vs. Dabuz

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 06:05 PM PDT

VINNIE WINS 3-0 AND HEADS INTO LOSERS SEMIS VERSUS FATALITY

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Congratulations to the winner of Alpha 2!!

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 06:57 PM PDT

Despite a dominating 3-0 bracket reset, MVG | Light takes Alpha 2 3-2 over YP | Fatality!!

PGR: C Tier 81 Entrants


1st

MVG Light Fox (Fatality)

 

2nd

YP Fatality Captain Falcon (Vinnie, Light)

 

3rd

Ho3K Gen Ryu Bayonetta (Light, Fatality)

 

4th

Vinnie Sheik Rosalina & Luma (Light, Fatality)

 

5th

DA Sinji Pac-Man (Gen, Fatality)

Dabuz Rosalina & Luma (Sinji, Vinnie)

 

7th

Mr E Marth Lucina (Light, Fatality)

6WX Sonic (Gen, Dabuz)

 

 

9th

T2 | Odyssey Fox (Mr E, Dabuz)

C2F | Dark Wizzy Mario (Gen, Fatality)

Glare Bayonetta (Suarez, Mr E)

Stocktaker69 Villager (Light, 6WX)

 

13th

Ho3K | Ralphie Cloud (Sinji, Glare)

iQHQ | AON | Raptor Yoshi (Fatality, Odyssey)

Suarez Yoshi (Vinnie, Stocktaker69)

Jack Captain Falcon (Mr E, Dark Wizzy)

 

17th

Jay Rosalina & Luma (6WX, Glare)

Unknown Sheik (Raptor, Ralphie)

Arhungry Corrin Lucina (Ralphie, Stocktaker69)

Scot! Luigi (Dabuz, Jack)

InC | Cyberman65 Sonic (6WX, Odyssey)

WDBTHtGP Cloud Pac-Man (Gen, Raptor)

Munel Wario (Mr E, Dark Wizzy)

Flarg Wario (Dabuz, Suarez)

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New Character Posters

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 10:03 AM PDT

Whenever a Smash 4 character was announced, there would be a new poster revealed for the character too, some of which were made with the help of the character's original artist in their original style. All of the posters (or at least most of them IIRC) were made available to buy through Club Nintendo down the line. Do you think we'll get the same thing this time around? I'd love to see a poster for Elma or Waluigi if either (or both) of those characters get announced.

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Here's something that I hope to see in Smash Switch that no one else is talking about...

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 10:06 AM PDT

In Smash 4, there have been special victory screens against certain characters where they say or do certain things when pitted against each other (for instance: Falco vs. Fox, Pit vs. D. Pit). Not only do I want this to return, but I want to see more of them with other characters. Smash is supposed to be about the interactions with other game characters, so this definitely fits.

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Am I the only one who is withholding their excitement because we don't even know what the basic mechanics will be like yet?

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 02:06 PM PDT

All of the characters in the world don't mean much if my only thoughts while playing are gonna be "when project switch" or "this character would be great with more movement options", etc. I expect to get downvoted to hell for this thread but that's honestly how I feel.

You could put the entire cast of Smash, Waluigi, Geno, Ridley, Simon Belmont, Shrek, every Power Ranger, Donald Trump, God, and Waddle Dee in Candy Crush, Train Simulator, Microsoft Excel, or a Japanese pachinko machine and I still wouldn't really have a strong desire to play those games. I know we aren't getting Melee HD, but if I have to hack my Switch just to get more aerial momentum from running into a jump then that's going to severely turn me off.

Anyone else feel the same way?

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ALPHA II Grand Finals: YP|Fatality (L) vs. Light

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 06:38 PM PDT

SET 1:

Game 1: Fatality

Game 2: Fatality (JV2)

Game 3: Fatality

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Just to be clear that first set was like 5 minutes.

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SET 2:

Game 1: Fatality (recovering from an SD at 0%)

Game 2: Fatality (recovering from a 136% deficit)

Game 3: Light

Game 4: Light

Game 5: Light

LIGHT WINS ALPHA II WITH A REVERSE 3-0

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Observation: The Smash Wii U and Brawl logos are incredibly similar, meanwhile the 64 and Melee ones are also similar. Smash Switch's logos use both

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 06:25 PM PDT

Okay, so this is pretty much only for the Japanese logo's but take a look here.

https://imgur.com/ee9qOdC.png

From top to bottom:

64

Melee

Switch

Wii U

Brawl

If you'll notice, the parts of the logos on the right are actually the top of the logos and the bottoms are on the left. The "bottom"(left) of Smash Switch's logo is nearly identical to 64 and Melee's "bottom." The "top"(right) of Smash Switch's logo is nearly identical to Brawl and 3DS/Wii U's logo. If you're having trouble, just note the spacing of the logos. 64's and Melee's logos are squished on the top and more "free" on the bottom meanwhile the reverse is true for the Brawl and Wii U's logos.

I don't know if it means anything or if it was just a cool homage to the older logos but It's still pretty cool.

Note: I did not resize any of the logos to make them look like one or another. If I had to resize something(because it was too small) I made sure to scale both size equally to maintain accuracy.

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Right now, in this very moment, currently at this time, months before Smash Switch’s estimated time has come out, someone is

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 08:51 AM PDT

Annoyed by all these types of posts over the few weeks. I know the hype train is going full throttle, but all these "it has now been x amount of time till/since..." or "right now, someone is..." is just cluttering the front page every week. I'm as hyped as the next guy, but please calm these posts down.

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Saints Gaming Live - RR Pools - EMG Mistake vs SlamSHADY

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 11:47 AM PDT

SlamSHADY beats Mistake 2-0. Mistake is now 0-2 in his pool.

We might be starting to see shades of how Mistake's last season ended.


Stream link

Bracket link

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Cool Samus Pokeball Combo Set Up

Posted: 09 Jun 2018 12:42 PM PDT

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