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Daily Questions and Answers Post Black Desert Online

Daily Questions and Answers Post

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 10:06 PM PST

Hello and welcome to /r/blackdesertonline! Please use this thread to ask any simple questions you have about the game and hopefully one of our helpful community members will be able to assist you.

Also, check the sidebar for links to some helpful resources.

This thread will be refreshed daily due to the huge number of questions asked.

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Black Desert Online Sparks P2W Controversy with Addition of "Blessing of Kamasylve" - MMOs.com

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 07:15 PM PST

How did we keep falling for these continuous money grabs? Don't make anymore excuses, this needs to end here.

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 10:41 PM PST

We have a winner for 2018's outfit design

Posted: 15 Feb 2018 12:54 AM PST

Beautiful

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 11:36 AM PST

Gloomy Fox Pet? [GM's Response to a ticket] I didn't want to make this public because I was too embarrassed from just reading it. But since there is this P2W fiasco going on and about them not knowing their own game. Here you go. See comments for details.

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 11:25 PM PST

When do we get this Costume for Kuno? Just wondering...is it even out?

Posted: 15 Feb 2018 01:19 AM PST

PEN enhancing guide

Posted: 15 Feb 2018 06:32 AM PST

kakao after releasing the patch notes today

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 06:52 PM PST

This email has been sent to all websites that are covering games

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 02:31 PM PST

As you will see from the links below, it's not the opinion of one, but of many:

2 years ago, before releasing the game, they said that the Kamasylve blessing will never be added into the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqyaRRKKk5c&feature=youtu.be&t=8m39s

Today they added it to the game. https://www.blackdesertonline.com/news/view/775

They disregard the lag problems: https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/7wq0mv/fix_your_servers_kakao_two_guilds_just_went_down/ https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/7ufsg7/kakao_its_time_to_ditch_the_current_providers_for/

They blame other parties for their hosting problems: https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/7wwqc9/kakao_is_incompetent_on_centurylink_issue/ They respond to lag reports after 4-5 days.

And they add content that is buggy, very laggy and was removed in the KR version: https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/7tk0mi/vell_boss_despawned_no_kill_on_eu_server/

They ban people because their own database was compromised and the hackers used accounts to bot: https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/7xbdjn/petition_for_twofactor_authentication/ https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/7xjshb/oh_that_escalated_quickly_guess_im_going_back_to/

They add items that can destroy guilds without any prior warnings: https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/7xiivr/my_guildie_spent_all_our_guild_funds_on_juice_and/

They do not know the product they are selling, they do not play it, they have very bad support they do not care about the player base at all. BDO is a good game, but Kakao is making all the wrong decisions with it, this must stop.

Edit:
mmos.com already picked up on one of the issues before the email and already has an article about it: https://mmos.com/news/black-desert-online-sparks-p2w-controversy-addition-blessing-kamasylve

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Remember when kakao said they were going to be way more active and that would have stopped hiding stuff from us?

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 11:45 PM PST

Looks like they don't.

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All these people complaining about P2W and I'm like...

Posted: 15 Feb 2018 06:39 AM PST

State of BDO

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 12:48 PM PST

An objective look at pay-to-win

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 09:20 AM PST

Whether something is pay-to-win or not depends entirely on your definition of pay-to-win. There are 2 common opinions here:

  • A) Pay-to-win is only when you can purchase an advantage that is not normally obtainable.

  • B) Pay-to-win is when you can pay to get ANY advantage. Period. You're paying for an advantage - you're paying to win.

Whichever side you belong to, the opinion is subjective. You can also not care about pay-to-win - i.e. admitting that it's there, but that it doesn't bother you.

Here are some examples from our Pearl Shop in regards to the 2 definitions above:

  • Artisan's Memory - A) Pay-to-win. Yes, you can just get more Memory Fragments without paying - but you will never get them at the rate of someone using Artisans, because they by default have 4x the effectiveness of a F2P player. B) Completely pay-to-win. Your Memory Fragments are 4x more effective than someone not paying. Result: Objectively pay-to-win.

  • Canape Outfit - A) Not pay-to-win. With a +5 outfit you can reach a 1s time. (although extremely expensive, this is objectively true. when panaceas come out, you will only need +4) B) Pay-to-win. You have to spend far less than a F2P player to get your 1s time. Result: Not objectively pay-to-win. It's debatable. Since there is a ceiling of effectiveness which can be reached by both paid and F2P players, it is debatable.

  • Swimming Outfits - A) Pay-to-win. It is impossible for a F2P player to reach the swimming speed/underwater breathing time of someone with one of these costumes. They are on the loyalty shop, but you cannot permanently have one. B) Pay-to-win. (everything on this list will be Pay-to-Win to B, not gonna bother with further explanations for this one) Result: Objectively pay-to-win. This is a completely pay-to-win item no matter what camp you belong to.

  • Inventory Expansions - A) Not necessarily pay-to-win. These can be obtained through loyalties (even though at a very, very slow rate), and when bought with loyalties they are permanent as if they were bought from the cash shop. B) Pay-to-win. Result: Not objectively pay-to-win. This one is very debatable even within group A. There is a ceiling though (192 slots) that can be reached by F2P players, so group A can argue this is not pay-to-win.

  • Naphart Campsite - A) Pay-to-win. The permanent parts, the extra bonuses (remote villas), etc. are not obtainable by a F2P player, even through loyalties. This leads to a grinding/life skilling efficiency a F2P player cannot reach. B) Pay-to-win. Result: Objectively pay-to-win.

  • Kama's Blessing - A) Pay-to-win. A F2P player can not possibly reach the amount of Kama uptime as a paying player. There is a 1-day in the loyalty shop, but that only allows you 1/10 uptime as a F2P player. As opposed to the inventory expansions, where you can eventually reach full slots, you will never match Kama uptime with someone that pays for it. You could just grind 20% longer - but the point is you can not reach the level of efficiency that someone equally geared with a Kama blessing can as a F2P player. B) Pay-to-win. Result: Objectively pay-to-win.

  • Value Pack - A) Pay-to-win. The 100LT is not obtainable without the VP. 16 storage in every town saves you ridiculous amounts of CP. The biggest offender - 30% marketplace bonus - literally takes some life skill actions from losses to big profits. (cooking, etc.) None of these things are obtainable by a F2P player, except for one day every 2 weeks. A F2P player cannot reach as much VP uptime as a paying player. B) Pay-to-win. Result: Objectively pay-to-win. The market bonus in particular makes some recipes profitable purely on its own.

  • Valk's Cry (not in our version yet, purely for speculation) - A) Pay-to-win. Yes, you could just get 10 more failstacks as a F2P player to match the +10 from Valk's Cry. But so could the paying player, and then they still have +10 up on you. Assuming everything else is even, a F2P player cannot match the +10 from Valk's. B) Pay-to-win. Result: Objectively pay-to-win. A paid player can match whatever failstacks a F2P player can get, and then add on another 10 by paying.

Whether something is objectively pay-to-win or not boils down to this: If there is a ceiling of effectiveness (e.g. 1s cook time), and that ceiling can be reached by F2P players, the pay-to-win factor is debatable, and the 'pay-for-convenience' argument is valid. If there is no ceiling, and a F2P player can not reach levels that a paid player can, that is objectively pay-to-win regardless of what camp you belong to.

Here's my point: These are objective looks at the game's pay-to-win. No exaggerations, no sensationalizing. The game is being monetized like a mobile game. That's the plain truth. Most of the cash shop is objectively pay-to-win (some more than others). This started long before Kama's Blessing being added to the Pearl Shop. Some things are arguably bigger offenders than Kama's Blessing. It's hardly debatable whether the game is pay-to-win or not - it is, but you can argue that it doesn't matter as much to you. If you don't like the pay-to-win aspects being added and that have been in the game for ages, you can speak far louder with your wallet and with direct contact. Commenting on Reddit isn't going to do much except speak to people who already agree with you (and get others downvoted for sharing a conflicting opinion that may be equally valid). Boycotting pearls and sending in daily support tickets with your thoughts on the system might do something. Posting on their official forums might do something. Might not, but it'll definitely do more than ranting on Reddit. In other games, the userbase is allowed to air their grievances on the official public forums. So do that with this game. Put pressure on Kakao to be more accountable - even if nothing changes, at least there was some effort made to change the game for (what you think is) the better.

Players are passionate about this game - it's extremely unique and has huge potential for the future. It's easy to let conversation get heated and devolve into insults. All of these opinions are valid, but arguing with and insulting random users on Reddit will not change anything. If you're passionate enough about these things, pressure Kakao directly through their forums and support platform.

Summary: The game is pay-to-win. Period. The level is debatable. It's a perfectly valid and fair opinion to not care. If you have a day job and would prefer to be able to throw some money at the game instead of spending all your time on it, that's a fair opinion to have. If not, and you're fed up with the level of pay-to-win, stop buying Pearls and start pressuring Kakao through tickets and their public forums. If nothing changes, quit the game and hope that something changes while you play something else. Otherwise you're just complaining to Reddit where the vocal users agree with you anyway and the cycle will continue.

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Guess i´ll leave

Posted: 15 Feb 2018 12:01 AM PST

I was playing this game since release (not really actively but still) and i loved it (i still kinda do) and yeah i was one of the silly bois who thought there will be a mind change and they stop adding new cash shop items but whoops! i was wrong. I was okay with a little bit of pay to win, i mean hey after all i spend quite an amount of money,

do i regret that? no, not at all. I knew what i was doing and the game was really addictive.

Am i sad that it still continues the path of getting like the korean version? Well of course, i almost don´t dare to say it but this game was everything for me i didn´t want to play anything else, at least i keep the memories of it. (and btw Kakao even said they will be happy when there will be a global BDO Version)

I know probably 90% of this community doesn´t give a fuck about what i am writing, im just kinda sad and looking for some emphaty, maybe i am not the only one who is leaving? Who knows..

Still curious how it will develop and perhaps there is still hope.

So see ya Guys and that one girl i saw here (who is probably a dude too) (Oh and Karma bomb is a myth)

https://imgur.com/a/YumQl

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In this interview, they claimed they would never add kama buff to the cash shop.(8 minutes and 39 seconds)

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 11:00 AM PST

Kakao in a nutshell

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 02:57 PM PST

Showcasing New Fairy And Their Uses.

Posted: 15 Feb 2018 05:23 AM PST

The real P2W - 10x item collection increase scrolls for 4500 pearls.

Posted: 15 Feb 2018 07:52 AM PST

ON THE KAMASYLVE SITUATION.. what actually happened

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 07:37 PM PST

GM's Response to Guild Fund Stealing

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 08:46 PM PST

It's time to stop, we can do it !

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 04:29 PM PST

Hello dear BDO players. I'm making this post to encourage to the players to fight against the company (PA/Kakao) to make this game more fair.

As everyone knows this game have serious troubles with their servers, account security, p2w and poor customer support service. There is no point to keep talking about this, everyone at this point must be aware about this problems, as everyday reddit and oficial forums are flooded with posts about this.

Belive or not, the future of this game is in our hands. If we manage to get together and protest against the unfairness we can solve some of the problems.

I've played a lot of mmorpg since early 2008 and I can tell you that this game is destined to be deserted in couple years or less. Currently they are pushing our limits because they have no rivarly. In 2018-2020 korea will have at least 9-10 new mmorpg and PA will try to improve the game in order to loss less amount of players. If we don't riot against them before other mmorpg go out, they will probably just introduce new content like jin/rabaam, dragon map, and that's it. Probably this is the reason why they didn't released here yet, its like a trap card that they hide it untill its necessary to be used.

The game companys that listen to the comunity have lived longer than others that just look at players like a sack of money. A lot of games changed thanks to the comunity, this must not be the exception. I love this game, and its one of the most amazing mmorpg I played in a long time, and I don't want it die too soon, so guys, lets get together and make PA/Kakao fix the game already.

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Updates

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 12:34 PM PST

Kamasylvia blessing and P2W

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 01:29 PM PST

Dear community, if you want Kakao to stop implementing P2W shit and are tired of being screwed over, boycott the product.. All I ever see the NA/EU community atm is just bitch on forums and reddit for a few weeks at most then just meme about it. This happened with tents too. If you do not use your power because it's "hard" nothing will change. Stop buying shit, stop playing the game, send kakao tickets, attract gaming media attention. Do something.
I know most of you won't, because there's nothing else to play and you're afraid of losing your "competitive edge" which is barely anything at softcap anyways. Or actually the true majority of the community doesn't mind those changes.
Thanks.

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This is to much, Kakao needs to stop toying with us

Posted: 14 Feb 2018 09:27 AM PST

First Kama delayed, then Mystic, Marni's, Rabam, JIN skills, Cron Meal, Panacea, loot scrolls (which btw regulate the meme frag availability),servers and even pearl shop stuff. Kakao has the content and they've been shitting with us all along. The proof? We got Drieghan fish in the game already and SA got rabam. There is no way SA was more ready than us for this content as they got awakening a week or two ago. Kakao also got kama 2 content on their kama 1 stream. I'm tired of them, applying balance patches aiming toward content we don't even have while not doing anything for the servers and just toying with us for the new content. All they can say is "We soory.". Kuck Fakao

Funny how this is still accurate https://clips.twitch.tv/FineCrunchyOwlOptimizePrime

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