Weekly Character Discussions - 04/23/18

As stated in this post, r/smashbros will be hosting weekly discussions about characters that the community would like to see in the upcoming Smash Game. After reading comments from the Waluigi post, I see that it would be in everyone's interest that we discuss multiple characters from a Gaming Series rather than talk about characters individually. This allows for more diverse conversations, discuss multiple characters per week and prevent repeated statements from happening as often.

When commenting please make a note at the bottom, in bold, that says:

"I would like to nominated: Gaming Series or Characters from this Series"

Use this thread to discuss:

• General Discussions (tentatively allowing for some off-topic discussion)

• Why X Character does or doesnt have a chance in the new game

• What said character's move-set would revolve around

• Any other topics you would like to discuss revolving around the inclusion of said character

Other Guidelines

• Be nice to one another

• Please avoid excessive meme spamming

Last Week's Topic

Kirby Franchise

Next Week's Topic

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Legit this man saved Melee by knocking Thanos out in Losers. And he put on a show for us in Grand Finals. Plus look at this sportsmanship: https://twitter.com/ArmadaUGS/status/993355888307007488

This man puts in a ton of work into the game, and even if I didn't like him that much when I first started watching competitive melee in 2014, he's grown on me as one of the most kindest and humblest people on the planet. And he's a beast at the game (truly the GOAT). Essentially the Roger Federer of our community. Also, if you haven't already, GO SUB TO THIS MAN ON TWITCH, he streams consistently and he's very informative/plays some sick melee.

I was thinking about posting one this morning, but I hate posting because I always overthink it. Then I saw the one posted a few hours ago for Armada and figured I'd sack up.

Here's what I've been thinking about -

Hbox came in to Smash Summit 6 as the undisputed #1 ranked player, #1 seed, and most people's pick to win the tourny, even though most people didn't want him to. Over the course of the tournament, he was cheered against in every single game, had an uncharacteristic loss to a player outside the top 6 (Amsa is a LEGEND), and waged war through losers bracket until getting stopped in a match-up he has been unbeatable in for the last 6-7 months. He placed 4th for the first time in god knows how long, I'm not a stats guy. Unquestionably, it was a bad tournament for Hbox.

And in that final match, in the moments right when it's over, Armada's pop off was awesome and very well-deserved, sure. Hell, I loved it. But the look on HBox's face stuck with me more. At first I didn't get why he was still sitting in the chair for so long, but then I realized how tough that loss must have been for him, with everything (what I outlined above) in context. Obviously it always sucks to lose, but this one had to sting.

No one would have been surprised to see him unhappy and salty as hell afterward, posting Fox-Puff johns on Twitter or doing some finger guns to pantomime lasering. What actually happened was that he gave Armada huge props on Twitter, a couple fist bumps too, and cheered for M2K just like us fans. He even brought our king the sacred oreo + milk combo.

So I wanted to give the guy a shout-out, because I, for one, appreciated the attitude and composure he displayed. Thanks Hungrybox.

He birthed zain and manages a calender.

Truly a man of such praise.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/189706-nintendo-switch/76571076

This post was made 5 days ago talking about Nintendo's E3 and he said that There is going to be a Nintendo Online revealed on May 7th. Its May seventh and the Switch online just got revealed.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/hardware/switch/onlineservice/index.html

Take this with a grain of salt, but this might be believable...

I just want to say I really appreciate. A lot of time in Smash, we let our passions cloud our judgment, and we start to not we appreciate be - but I appreciate. Any top 10 player deserves to appreciate. And any was not if appreciative, then you wouldn't be a Melee fan. Thank you. I appreciate.

I really appreciate all of the sentiments expressed towards the music throughout the event! Also give a big shoutout to the BTS content team for being so open minded and easy to work with, they were also pretty hands on with the process. If anyone has any questions regarding specific music just shoot me or the squad a clip, or a summary of what you're looking for and we'll try to help so you don't have to surf the whole playlist!

And before we ask.. Here's your playlist

Heres my notes i was able to take on the playlist during the event

Yes all of this stuff was made by us at LMTLESS, some of its a bit dated!

Less importantly, yes I'm the Pokemon Cypher Matt Houston lol

Any criticism or positive feedback is welcomed, and we're looking forward to putting on a better show for you guys in the future!

Edit: Here's a list of links to stuff that I didn't mark as getting played: nostalgia| 50% | Meteo | Sauria | Goons | IDK If I Can Do This Anymore | X4 | Journey | Bouncy Chicken Tenders | FF7 | Jolly Ranchers |

https://i.redd.it/bmlb6bcuhhw01.png

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Hey everyone, rosterpocalypse is upon us, and already there are rumblings.

Here is /u/lerhond 's handy dandy spreadsheet.

In this thread, I will post CONFIRMED roster changes for the Summer 2018 Rosterpocalypse season.

I am limiting criteria for confirmed posts as follows:

• Posts from team official twitter pages/websites
  
• Posts from a player specifically saying "I have joined Team X" on Twitter (without refutation)
  
• Posts officially from HGC /HeroesEsports sources

Things that are NOT confirmed roster changes. Note I will be willing to include well sourced posts in the Rumor Mill, however

• Vague twitter posts where a player isn't named, but insinuated, regardless of any post
  
• People changing their twitter bios or twitter handles without an associated announcement
• Posts on any webservice not from either a player, manager, owner, or organization on the affected team or moving to the affected team (i.e., If Steve says Bob is Leaving Electronic Sports Incorporated, and Steve isn't a player or employee, it's considered hearsay)
  
• Clips on twitch
  
• Anything posted on Reddit by Bakery's Mom
  

Reliable Sources for Transfers

• Master League
• Liquipedia

I find the above sources to be very reliable for roster changes. However, do note that liquidpedia is a wiki, and can succumb to vandalism. Thus, any unsourced changes on liquidpedia won't be posted as confirmed here.

Confirmed Roster changes Europe:

Formatted tables will be up soon, in the meantime

Confirmed Roster changes North America:

Confirmed Roster changes Korea:

as yet there are no publicly confirmed changes

Confirmed Roster changes China:

as yet there are no publicly confirmed changes, and realistically Chinese news is hard to come by, so don't expect anything here

No Free Agents Section

I decided not to maintain free agents lists in this topic, as then I have to make decisions about which free agents are notable and which aren't, and that just becomes a whole thing. So I will not maintain a list here.

Team Name/Sponsor Changes

Not roster changes, but listed here to avoid confusion if a team name changes

• KSV Black rebrands as Gen.G Esports - This change will be effective at MSB

Roster Change Rules

As teams are now required to be owned by a single entity (does not have to be an individual, could be an LLC for example, but a single legal entity), roster changes are no longer capped. A team can literally replace all 5 players if they want to.

Roster Schedule

• May 7 - May 14 - Roster release period - Players must be released in this window
• May 15 - May 22 - Roster addition period - Free Agents may be added in this window
• May 23 - May 24 - Roster approval period - Blizzard approves all roster changes for Phase 2

Note that despite these dates, the actual public statements may come later. Example, last season, Yoda played for Roll 20 at MSB, despite having been released from the team for Goku. This announcement wasn't made until after MSB. However, the actual roster change occurred in this window.

Player Sniping

A note that sniping, that is, contacting a player on another team directly to offer them a position on your team, is against HGC rules. However, Team Managers/Owners are allowed to contact other Managers/Owners to discuss trade or ask for permission to approach a player.

Rumor Mill

Here I will list unofficial, unconfirmed, or non-definitive posts related to roster changes. Posts are order oldest to newest based on when I received it:

May 7

• Akaface TwitLonger - suggests Gale Force Esports is dropping sponsorship, and that Akaface and Fury are going to own and manage the team, possibly dropping the other three members

• Some King's Gambit players possibly going to HGC - No specific names, tweet from King's Gambit Manager

• Khroen says he doesn't think HHE will make any changes - credit /u/gametempest

• Nurok (currently Team Liquid) has been grinding supports in Hero League. MatchHistory - credit /u/Simsala91

• Quackniix vague tweeting. Could have nothing to do with HOTS. Could be a troll. Could be meaningful. I have no clue.

• Mopsio on Facebook says he and ADRD (Adrian) are off of Zealots - unconfirmed by ADRD or Zealots. In the post Mopsio states that he and ADRD are looking for separate opportunities. A later post suggest ADRD was leaving for a "better position" (translated quote)

• BadBenny twitch clips: clip #1 and clip #2. Says Breez is staying at tank, can't say more. Implies roster swaps now were worse than Blizzcon swaps. "Although I [BadBenny] might be a bit biased." In Clip #2 he says he's "probably going back to tank", implying he won't be on the same team as Breez. Likely BadBenny isn't on Fnatic after roster swaps if these comments are true.

Submitting a tip

You can either post a tip in this thread or PM me. Post it as a new comment, not a follow-up comment, so it ends up in my inbox. However, all tips must have a link to something. I will not post anything that doesn't have at least some source.

Thanks

People who have contributed tips (if you contributed and don't see yourself here, call me names and I'll fix it):

/u/FollowKayna /u/gametempest /u/Kalisz /u/PhoSheez /u/Simsala91 /u/TheULforce /u/Ultrajante /u/valhalla35 /u/yitbaus

Ever find yourself looking for more people to play with? Post in here if you are looking for a team for competitive play or if you are a team looking to fill out your roster! You can also check out our Looking For Group Wiki Page!

Previous LFG threads

I've been unsure about how to put this feeling into words, but I'll do my best here.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but 100% of the reason I come to Heroes of the Storm is the Blizzard characters. I have played and enjoyed every Blizzard game released since 1995, and these worlds and characters have meant a great deal to me throughout my life.

Focusing in on, and developing characters like The Raven Lord and The Gravekeeper feels like a weird direction to go in, to me. What I loved the first time I played Heroes was the interaction between characters that I already loved, who wouldn't normally interact. For every page of a future Gravekeeper comic that comes out, I'll be sad that time wasn't spent writing the first meeting of Li-Ming and Tychus, or Kel'Thuzad and Leoric.

And let me be clear, I'm not criticizing the quality of the art or writing, I simply don't understand why they would focus on characters nobody knows or cares about rather than the characters that draw people to the game. The Nexus itself and its denizens are near the bottom of the list of reasons I am interested in this game, and maybe that's the point of developing them further. But I just feel like, if I wanted to delve into a moba with more generic takes on this vibe, I would play League of Legends.

I already feel as if character interactions have taken a massive backseat compared to the earlier days of the game, and I wish Blizzard would refocus on the strengths and personalities of those characters instead of trying to make me care about The Raven Lord.

Look the dog in photos

https://imgur.com/a/9tig4Sf

It gets annoying after a while and forces me to open the window and move to a different screen if I alt-tab right after launching it.

The initial animation and effects should only occur once, with the hero continuing its idle animation and slight background sound whenever it comes on.

It is so awkward that the music change out of nowhere for no reason, at the start of many maps. Some patches ago, the theme would change with the announcer explaining the objective. Now the music changes and nothing happens, being kind awkward.

Bliz please fix that.

We just had Malfurian AI who suicided three times

• At low hp, stood right in the middle of bruiser camp, literally 2 hits and this guy is dead. We pinged retreat repeatedly. Did not retreat. Died.

• While team is down, went DEEP top lane, as far away from other players as possible. We pinged retreat. Did not respond. Did not even make any attempt at doing anything. Died.

• Did the same thing immediately AGAIN. Same deal. Dead.

Three deaths. Three 60 second timers. This isn't even AI, this needs to be a complete override of their programming to immediately do what they're pinged to do. There is no hard choice being done here where there's a critically low hp ally and malf has to decide whether to save them or retreat, this is literally "I am walking alone towards a fort for absolutely no reason, there is no reason why I, the healer, would ever do this and there is absolutely no reason why I, the player, would ever do this alone when the team is down and it's level 20."

They shouldn't be doing that in the first place, but at least give us control with pings.

HeroPhysio (LFM) and Kubie (NT) will be joining us tomorrow for our next episode of Trollin' HGC! These coaches both guided their teams out of the crucible and back into the HGC season. We want your questions for these guys, so please submit them in the comments!

You can catch the show live on Tuesday 05/08 at 7:30 PM EDT (https://twitch.tv/TrollsGG)

So for those of you stuck in bronze let me explain this simple concept: Every time you hear a ding, your hero gets more powerful. Ergo, the heroes that can get the most dings are the most powerful. A real no brainer.

Below are the rankings of heroes based on their Ding scores.

God Tier Blue God Tier

Azmodan, Chromie, Nazeebo, Tychus

God Tier

Alarak, Gazlowe, Junkrat, Kel'Thuzad, Medivh, Ragnaros, Raynor, The Butcher, The Lost Vikings, Varian, Zul'jin

Viable

Alexstrasza, Ana, Arthas, Auriel, Blaze, Chen, Deckard, Falstad, Fenix, Genji, Gul'Dan, Hanzo, Jaina, Kael'thas, Kharazim, Lucio, Malthael, Muradin, Murky, Nova, Probius, Stitches, Stukov, Tassadar, Thrall, Tyrande, Uther, Valla, Xul, Zarya

Weaklings

Anub'arak, Artanis, Cassia, Cho, Dehaka, Diablo, E.T.C., Gall, Garrosh, Greymane, Illidan, Johanna, Leoric, Lt. Morales, Maiev, Malfurion, Rexxar, Sammuro, Tracer, Valeera, Zagara, Zeratul

Dead Weight

Abathur, Brightwing, D.Va, Kerrigan, Li Li, Li-Ming, Rehgar, Sgt. Hammer, Sonya, Sylvanas, Tyreal

Now obviously there's going to be some debating because people on the internet are stupid

First is Genji, who has an OK ding on it's own for hitting things with ninja stars, but what propels him to Viable tier is the level 20 Ultra Ding for tink-tink-tinking 6500 damage.

Alarak is similar in that he has a Ultra Ding available at both levels 1 and 4. What keeps him from being God Tier Blue God Tier is the difficulty in maxing out the number of Dings you get, as you could accidentally get the Ultra Ding early which prevents you from getting more Dings.

Varian has many different builds but really why would you not go for High King's Quest, which has the power of three different Ding quests in one.

Globe Quests require you to have an attention span so they rarely generate enough Dings to make heroes that rely solely on them worth it. The exception to this is The Lost Vikings as you tell your allies to get globes for you in all three lanes.

on May 12 and 13 we'll have Heroes of the Dorm but we'll also have the Intercontinental Clash With games from LATAM, ANZ and between both of them to classify a team for the MSB!

The timezone is are GMT -3, games at 2pm and 4:30pm

Check more info here http://liquipedia.net/heroes/2018_Heroes_of_the_Storm_Global_Championship/Phase_1/Intercontinental_Clash

For the first time we'll have LATAM games with eng casting on https://www.twitch.tv/Blizzard_ANZ , also pt-br and spa at https://www.twitch.tv/copaamerica_pt1 and https://www.twitch.tv/copaamerica_es1

Lets show Minor Regions some love!!

Next week on Friday I think we'll have the Horizon Clash as well, but I couldn't find much info to where to watch.

This is not a post about "x hero is not op" but rather an anecdote that I experienced yesterday and thought I would share with you. I played with Hanzo in Quickmatch on Warhead Junction. The enemy team had a Deckard Cain and the Lili on my team complained the whole game how stupidly op deckard was. She was sure of a nerf next patch but tbh I think he is fine they should rather buff the other supports. We led almost the whole game but unfortunately Deckard's team managed a turn around. At the score screen, our Genji and Lili again complained about Deckard being op but then I read the name of the player: "Linked" of Leftovers, number 34 GM. Just to compare, I checked the ranks of my teammates and the highest were me and Genji (Platinum 3 and 2 respectively). No wonder they would think a hero is op when a pro is playing him. Well, that was it, just a small QM story.

When you ping an AI, after a player has left the game, it will try to constantly to hearth back, quit and then try again. Why is it doing such stupid things?

When a team reaches level 30 the match is likely decided if it's not over yet. So for a creative game, create 1 or more level 30 talents for your hero.

Rules: 1. They must be something that would end the game very fast 2. They must fit with the core idea of your character, (Don't change an assassin into one that can heal his/her team or vice versa) 3. They must not be openly busted (No, "Auto Attacks now instantly kill everything") 3a. But can still be very powerful (Anyone else remember Ess of Johan?) 4. They can just take the piss out of a hero (see below)

Example:

Raynor: We're all Laynors Now 180 second cooldown

Raynor turns one nearby minion into an untalented copy of himself controlled by beginner AI, with 25% stats that push down the nearest lane. They each have the name of the Raynor player

This was just a random thought I had, hope you can make something out of it.

Happy Memeing.

GIF link: https://gfycat.com/WeightyConcernedHamster

This one is pretty interesting.

I'm reposting this because the previous link didn't work in some conditions and the title contained a mistake. Sorry!

Wheres the counter?