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League of Legends - Monday Megathread! Ask questions and share knowledge; newcomer questions encouraged!

Monday Megathread! Ask questions and share knowledge; newcomer questions encouraged!

Posted: 10 Jun 2018 07:36 PM PDT

Welcome to the latest Monday Megathread, where you the community get to ask your questions and share your knowledge.

This is an opportunity for the more experienced LoL players here to share some of your wisdom with those with less expertise. This thread will be a weekly safehaven for those "noobish" questions you may have been too scared to ask for fear of downvotes, but also can be a great place for in depth discussion if you so wish. So, don't hold back, get your game related questions ready and post away, and hopefully someone can answer them!

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Please welcome our three new moderators!

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 12:23 PM PDT

After going through last month's moderator applications, our team has selected three new moderators to join our team.

The process of choosing new moderators was long and difficult as we got hundreds of applications but that has finally concluded. We encourage those of you who didn't make it this time to be on the lookout for the next application process!

These new moderators are:

/u/ilackfocus

I'm sexy, I'm cute, I'm popular to boot, I'm bitchin', great hair, The girls all love to stare. I'm wanted, I'm hot, I'm everything you're not. I'm pretty, I'm cool, I dominate this sub. I'm rockin', I smile, many think I'm vile!

The ballots are in and one mod has to win! They're perky! They're fun! And now they're number one!

I'm /u/Ilackfocus!! Your moderator /u/Ilackfocus!!

In a moment of sleep deprived stupidity, this is the best I could come up with.

/u/untamedlazyeye

Hello everyone, I'm untamedlazyeye and some may recognize me from /new. Let me give a quick introduction. I am a screen peeking world champion and I suspect being able to see two screens at once will be op for moderating. I'm a gold 4 Lee Sin/Trundle main and expert on failing insecs. Also, I tell a lot of puns so hopefully that doesn't Phreak anyone out.

/u/duality_na

Hey my name is Duality but you've probably seen my name about a hundred times and have agreed with me every single time. That won't change now that I'm a mod, I'm gonna enforce the rules on you and you're gonna agree with it. Catch me on the post game threads getting really upset that NA shit the bed again, but don't personally attack anyone or you'll catch a ban.

Please give them a warm welcome and feel free to ask them any questions :)

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Aatrox: World Ender | Champion Teaser - League of Legends

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 08:00 AM PDT

Riot Games on Instant Clash Defeats: "Our new System determines instantly your odds of winning or losing a game"

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 11:32 AM PDT

Riot games has, once again, found itself in the hot seat over Clash issues.

Before, the servers were all shut down in an announcement that came hours before the live date--Riot explained that this was done to extol the values of friendship across "job obligations, economic or social divides, and distance." The disappointed League community received the news with a mix between confusion and excruciating evaporation at the idea of making friends.

Now, users are up in arms over a new problem: after joining a Clash tournament, players are instantly winning or instantly losing their games, with all the rewards or punishments tied to each.

"It's crazy!" Complains one gamer on reddit. "My wife and I got a divorce because I wouldn't let that silver 5 witch play support on my Clash team. So is Riot saying that I threw away my favorite pillow over nothing?"

Riot Jamie--for the second time in a month--has taken a podium in front of Riot Headquarters in the projects of L.A (where indie game studios live) to explain what's going on. Here is his statement:

Here at Riot games, we love to solve problems and kill memes. One problem our players have is the length of games. Twenty minute to forty minute games? Resident Sleeper, am I right!

To fix this, we have integrated a system into Clash we hope to test and improve. Easy Game is a program that determines, based on several factors, whether you deserve to win or lose at League of Legends. We hope the instant feedback helps streamline the League of Legends process.

Riot released a list of factors that determine the outcome of a match:

  • Elo

  • Width of your shoulders

  • How many Marvel movies you have watched

  • Opinion of Teemo

  • How many reddit threads you have made about bot lane

  • How many reddit comments you have made about how ridiculous it is that everyone is posting about bot lane

  • How many significant others you have had in the last six months

  • Ability to recite lines from V for Vendetta (in character)

If you fit Riot's algorithm, a selected amount of League matches will automatically end in victory. If you have experienced an issue losing at Clash without playing, please go watch Spider Man: Homecoming again and do some reps for your shoulders.

BREAKING NEWS

Disaster has broken out at Riot Game's HQ after Easy Game, their new bot that can determine your odds of winning a League match has obtained a taste for human blood. The bot superseded its original function and now attempts to decide, in an instant, whether you are a 'winner at life' or a 'loser at life.' The latter are promptly disintegrated.

This coincides with the game company's attempt to integrate immersive ads into their bot. These ads were intended to make players buy products to win more games of League of Legends. Your best chance to survive the onslaught of Easy Game, therefore, is to consume as much Doritos and Mountain Dew as humanly possible.

Needless to say, Clash has been cancelled.

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Due to an unfortunate error, Clash is cancelled

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 11:56 AM PDT

After Kai'Sa, Zoe and Irelia, I'm terrified at what I'll have to put up with after Riot reworks Akali.

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 02:54 AM PDT

With 132 of 141 Champions Being Picked So Far, 2018 is the Most Diverse Competitive Season Ever.

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 11:31 AM PDT

Welcome TF Blade to Team Liquid!

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 09:00 AM PDT

Scrubnoob making threats towards Shiphtur.

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 09:32 AM PDT

LS on the SKT T1: "Unless they make changes to the roster, I don’t see them making a comeback."

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 08:07 AM PDT

Emotes Update | League of Legends

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 09:43 AM PDT

CLASH TRASHTALK THREAD²

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 11:02 AM PDT

YOU KNOW THE RULES.

I GUESS 3RD TIME THE CHARM.

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I still go into "dodging mode" every time a Zyra dies

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 12:24 PM PDT

What other pre-reworked champion PTSDs do you still suffer from?

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Morde/Pyke/Aatrox locked in LPL!

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 02:28 AM PDT

https://www.twitch.tv/lpl1 tune in right mf now my brothers of the rift, the LPL is back at it again with the good stuff.

we knew this patch was gonna be wild but this is kinda insane.

edit: shyvana too! vlad adc morde mid, what on earth

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Pyke players, when will you accept that he is a support?

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 02:41 AM PDT

So many games this week, arguments in Champ select because jungle/top/mid wants pyke and then someone bans him away. Then he goes "okay I go troll gg". It's ranked, people want you to pick proper champs. Very impolite, but that's just how it is.

Edit: well, since I have received so many comments, I thought I elaborate on my opinion (from a ranked mode perspective, in normals you can play whatever you want):

- horrible wave/camp clear: pretty much any champ in top/mid/jungle has better clearing tools. I see so many Pyke players barely getting out of their turret early on since they spent a lot of time being shoved in

- missing gold inflation: if he is not played support, he is going to spent most of the lane'ing phase alone. That means, his team (especially the ADC) won't benefit from his gold sharing mechanic. Also, it's much easer to benefit from his ult if he is with other players, since bot is 2v2,3v3 and sometimes 4v4 within 5-10 minutes. that's like 600 Gold potentially wasted for your team

- support mindset vs solo laner mindset: when I play ranked and I see those solo Pyke player, their team criticizes him for not playing Pyke "Like a support". The few good solo laners I see at least try to set things up so the rest of their team can benefit. The usual solo pyke will play him like another Zed or talon, going out of their way to get fed as possible

- not enough damage: unless he is fed, a Zed or Talon can 100 to 0 simply faster and more efficient than Pyke. Even if he hits a full combo early on, his numbers work simply better if there is another champ helping

- long cool downs: here the other assassins are again better suited, since they have much shorter cool downs than Pyke

- mana hungry: You could simply pick Zed or Akali if you wanted an assassin who doesn't even use mana. With Pyke however, his early mana consumption is working against in a solo-lane

- not everyone is a diamond player: I've seen a few comments "I had a Pyke pop off in D5" or "I saw that diamond streamer do it and it worked". Well, around 65% of all players are in bronze/silver, around 24% are in gold. That's roughly 80%-90% of the entire lol community in "Lower elos". What a higher level player can do with a off-meta role is not the same what a lower ranked player can do. Before you start thinking outside the box, you might wanna try thinking inside the box first.

Note to support Pyke players: Please buy control wards and finish the quest on your support item. I've had many Pykes simply selling the support item for another AD item. Also, please come back after roaming. Many Pyke players leave their adc alone who then gets picked off. His kit may be in favor to roaming, but he should still make sure the ADC doesn't over extend and has proper vision, since many ADCs ignore that when they see a juicy creep wave or a solitary tower.

Edit: adjusted a few numbers, added some text.

Final edit: I forgot that Pyke himself knows what's up: "Did I support right?" (penta kill voice line)

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If you are the jungler and your opponent picks ADC top.

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 06:17 AM PDT

Gank the shit out of him. They will 95% of the time push and if you get your top ahead he will just roll over him. However, if you don't your top will likely get rolled on. This is the snowballiest (it's a word) lane possible. Do what you can to make it roll in your direction.

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EULCS Summer 2018 - Vitality hype video

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 09:54 AM PDT

In the future, Riot has taken over the world. I escaped, I need your help.

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 04:49 AM PDT

30 minutes ago I somehow made my escape from my pod, a very special kind of computer. The ugly difference is the way this machine is operated. Something that I can only describe as disgusting, repulsive and absolutely inhumane.

 

Not that much of humanity from my time get a hold of the privilege to even comprehend what's inhumane about it. We've all lived the same way, our primitive needs automated by naso-gastric tubes, cateters, wires extending throughout every part of the body, our brains linked and united with the pods. Defecating is only done in one way, and that's on your opponents. These are the League players of my era.

 

I did not remember much of what life was before I entered this eerie machine. The earliest thing I could memorize was an ominous voice with a South-African accent telling me to start grinding.

What the Yasuo main is a "South-African accent?" I'm not quite sure, but that's how my instincts identified it, I have a feeling that you will understand it's significance.

 

The voice was always there to guide me with quick words and sentences,

"queue, "accept", "ff", "run it down".

Subconsciously heeding it. Word by word shot at me, a loop seemingly never-ending.

But there was an end.

 

A countless amount of players shackled by the pods were all guided towards one common objective; Rank 1

An objective I managed to reach, and the reason I'm as of now no longer part of the machine. The reason that I am here, asking for your help.

 

It was the final game, Lanif, the Engineer of Zaun was open. Busted.

Locked.

Luckily I was able to end before their Marksman reached the deeply feared 3-hour powerspike. Scaling is scary but who the hell plays Marksman anyways? If they had a more suitable botlane carry like Rammus they could have won. Anyways I need to move on. There's no time to spare.

 

Upon destroying the enemy nexus I witnessed something entirely different from the "Victory" sign that I've seen so many times before.

 

Everything turned black,

An intense burning sensation throughout my entire body. Realizing the fact that I have one to begin with.

Eardrums completely demolished by the.. Windows XP error sound? Mysteriously familiar, somehow I know what that is aswell.

 

I start to remember shit, all kinds of shit. This is where things got really fucking weird.

I wake up in panic, screaming like a 20-year old man that after a life of being completely oblivious suddenly came to realize that he in fact is a Bronze V player with 3000 games on Heimerdinger, being coached by LS on live-stream. With a micropenis.

Struggling to pull out the tubes and wires and trying to get myself in a standing position I start to notice that I'm completely circled by about a dozen men wearing suits. One of them slowly walks up to me and casually leans on the pod, eyeing me with a smug expression on his face.

 

"Congratulations", said the man in a proud, acknowledging tone... With a South-African accent.

The man started slowly clapping his hands, transitioning into a full applause by everyone in the room, with the exception of one individual, a man with a shaved head and a white suit. His was not a face of amusement.

 

"SILENCE!" He yelled loudly, the sound echoing across the room.

The other men turned to him quicker than dudes insta-locking Yasuo in blind pick. This must be their leader, I thought.

"Yes Lord Phreak" said the men as they went down on their knees, as if they belonged to a cult of some sort. I had no idea what the hell was going on at this point.'

 

That's when it hit me.

Phreak? HOLY SHIT!

 

It all started coming back to me, what happened before the pods, the war and how Riot Games came to rule the world. These guys are fucking nuts man, I need to get out of here.

 

I ran as fast as I could, tripping over pods and wires, and even if it was a sea of Legos I had to venture through, my fear of that man alone would drive me to the point where I'd run laps around Forrest Gump if I had to.

"Let him run, he can witness it himself" echoed the voice of Lord Phreak ominously.

 

The events that lead to the state of this world course through my mind as I start remembering more and more of it.

 

During some period, Riot Games had come to the conclusion that the gargantuan LoL-community and it's discussion about balance, esports and so on more or less required an implimentation of a political system. The players would vote for changes to be made and the majority would be the decider. At this time, David "Riot Phreak" Turley served his first term as the president after the election.

 

Because of the fact that 140% of China's population plays League, excluding bots, Phreak more or less gained power over the country itself due to the sheer respect people had for him there. Nothing bad had happened yet. the Siege of Sarajevo in this era, which sparked the conflict, happened during the second election, when Ram"Brokenshard" Djemal stood up against Phreak as a competitor and ultimately became the next elected president of League of Legends.

 

However, after Phreak had served his 4 year term, the loyalty of the Chinese would not vanish. Lord Turley, frustrated with his loss, declared war on Brokenshards rule with the support of China, resulting in a split between the West and East, this event is called "The Day of the Broken Shards".

 

After about a year, Brokenshard, in similarity to Phreak, gained authority equal to the President of the United States since Trump thought it was a good idea since he's not into esports and all. The world stood still, a summit between Phreak and Brokenshard was issued but no peace came from that day. They decided, the winner takes it all. West versus East, best of 5.

 

Phreak caught the west off guard, before the game was played he invested in a huge project in order to clone Uzi, 4 times. On top of that he managed to buff ADC without Brokenshard knowing. The west suffered a devastating loss, Ram "Brokenshard Djemal hasn't been seen since.

 

Why everything went black and why most people on the planet are locked inside pods is however, still a mystery.

 

After a few minutes of running I found myself in a dark hallway, dimly lit up by a tealish light. As I walk through it the light becomes stronger, I turn to the source of it after getting close enough, and find something unbelievable.

 

A beautiful woman, with long dark hair in a cylindrical tank, floating gracefully. I look closer and read the sign, it says "I.M.A.Q.T.P.I.E", how gracious, people this beautiful exist. Why is she sleeping?

 

Trying to not let my mind wander off I keep on walking, I see cylinder upon cylinder containing different people.

 

M.E.T.E.O.S, B.J.E.R.G.S.E.N, N.D.5, K.A.D.E.E.M,

 

Only one of the tanks are empty, sign says "H.A.S.H.I.N.S.H.I.N", the glass is destroyed, did someone escape?

 

All these names seem so familiar, too familiar.

 

In the last tank I see a very tiny man, he looks to be sleeping so peacefully, like a child in it's mothers arms. The sign doesn't have punctuation like the other ones, this one just says "ID BANNED". How curious.

 

Walking towards the exit and having reached the other side, someone suddenly grabs onto me.

I shit myself.

 

It's a man hooded by what seems to be drapes and he's dripping wet, could it possibly be the man from the destroyed tank?

 

Next to him is a bald man, someone who has the look of a person you absolutely do not fuck with under any circumstances, and for some reason I have huge respect for him already. He's wearing army gear, carrying a rifle. On his shoulder there's a patch with the flag of Greece on it. Who is this guy?

 

"Wait, you're not with Riot?" The cloaked man asks as he gently lets go of his grip on me.

 

"I don't really know who or what I am anymore" I respond insecurely.

 

"Right right right" the draped man mutters and turns to the armed man as if he's looking for approval.

 

He nods with his balding head.

 

"Come with us" says the hooded one as he walks towards the exit of the tank room.

 

"What are we gonna do?" I ask them.

 

The one carrying the symbol of Greece turns his head towards me as he walks out and says "We are gonna change the fucking world".

TO BE CONTINUED

Part 2 - https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8qbqkt/in_the_future_riot_has_taken_over_the_world_i/

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Why do I lose my tower if I die once??

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 08:41 AM PDT

If you're playing top (goes for mid and bot as well) and you die to a jungle gank around the 5-10 minute mark, you WILL lose your tower, if not most of the hp. What is the reasoning for making towers so weak?!?! I know they want to shorten games but there are other options for taking towers cough Rework Ohmwrecker. cough

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Apdo talking about the current chaotic meta (translated)

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 06:15 AM PDT

Clubs should get some love!

Posted: 10 Jun 2018 08:55 PM PDT

Clubs is a very simple system that Riot implemented with community in mind. Even with this system the only time I even notice Clubs is when I am trying to tell if people are q'd up XD. I feel like Riot could easily spend a little time helping build a stronger more fluid and comfortable community so that the people in it have a place to belong. These are some of my ideas please feel free to add your own!

Add some club missions (something where you need to "play with a full 5 man of only club members")

Add a public clubs system for finding and joining

Make clubs feel more fluid

possibly add a club ranking system (Like "top clubs NA" which uses points earned by players to add to the clubs total points)

Maybe even the ability to make and wear a club logo into your games (Similar to how clash is working with Banners and Icons)

Just something more than this enigma of a system we have right now, I really feel that Club changes could help make the community stronger within the actual game. Sure social media and forums have strong communities but not everyone uses those systems and Clubs is a very "Guild" like system, a system that people are used to from other games. I would love it if Clubs started actually working like that kind of system. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR READING THROUGH THIS AND CONSIDERING!

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Schalke 04 with a Video about last and upcoming Split.

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 08:14 AM PDT

Riot needs to step up their game on punishing trolls

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 12:16 PM PDT

I just cant handle it anymore. everyone knows that the only way to get banned for inting is by using keywords in chat. so they just dont type and soft int by pushing a lane until they die. it happens to me every third game at this point and its fucking stupid.

I literally sent a report to riot of a player not typing in chat and buying mobis and hard inting. he had 4-5 other games where he clearly intentionally fed in his match history. The player is STILL not punished.

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JD Gaming vs. Invictus Gaming / LPL 2018 Summer - Week 1 / Post-Match Discussion

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 04:21 AM PDT

LPL 2018 SUMMER

Official page | Leaguepedia | Liquipedia | Eventvods.com | New to LoL

Invictus Gaming 2-1 JD Gaming

IG | Leaguepedia | Liquipedia | Website | Twitter | Facebook | Subreddit
JDG | Leaguepedia | Liquipedia | Website

MATCH 1: IG vs JDG

Winner: Invictus Gaming in 23m | MVP: Ning
Match History | Game Breakdown

Bans 1 Bans 2 G K T D/B
IG graves taliyah irelia soraka nunu 52.0k 17 9 M1 H2 B4
JDG draven lucian zoe kogmaw yasuo 35.0k 4 0 I3
IG 17-4-37 vs 4-17-8 JDG
Duke aatrox 3 2-0-2 TOP 1-2-1 4 gangplank Zoom
Ning camille 1 1-3-11 JNG 0-4-2 2 shyvana Clid
RooKie lulu 2 4-0-9 MID 0-4-2 1 mordekaiser YaGao
JackeyLove kaisa 3 9-0-4 ADC 0-4-2 1 vladimir Loken
Baolan alistar 2 1-1-11 SUP 3-3-1 3 pyke LvMao

MATCH 2: IG vs JDG

Winner: JD Gaming in 26m | MVP: YaGao
Match History | Game Breakdown

Bans 1 Bans 2 G K T D/B
IG graves taliyah irelia xin zhao lee sin 40.0k 2 1 H1
JDG draven lucian kaisa yasuo caitlyn 53.0k 12 9 M2 O3 B4 M5
IG 2-12-3 vs 12-2-28 JDG
Duke ornn 3 1-2-0 TOP 2-0-5 4 drmundo Zoom
Ning camille 1 0-3-1 JNG 4-1-4 3 olaf Clid
RooKie vladimir 2 0-3-1 MID 2-1-6 1 zoe YaGao
JackeyLove ezreal 3 0-2-0 ADC 3-0-4 2 xayah Loken
Baolan morgana 2 1-2-1 SUP 1-0-9 1 rakan LvMao

MATCH 3: JDG vs IG

Winner: Invictus Gaming in 21m
Match History | Game Breakdown

Bans 1 Bans 2 G K T D/B
JDG draven lucian irelia kaisa vladimir 32.0k 5 0 None
IG graves taliyah camille xin zhao olaf M1 H2 M3
JDG 5-15-8 vs 15-5-27 IG
Zoom drmundo 3 0-2-0 TOP 2-0-4 4 aatrox Duke
Clid skarner 3 2-3-1 JNG 3-2-5 2 lee sin Ning
YaGao zoe 1 0-3-0 MID 8-1-5 3 leblanc RooKie
Loken xayah 2 2-3-3 ADC 1-1-7 1 yasuo JackeyLove
LvMao rakan 2 1-4-4 SUP 1-1-6 1 alistar Baolan

This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.

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Summer Split is really what we need right now

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 04:34 AM PDT

With LPL having finished their first match (Go IG!) we can all look forward to LPL, LCK and LCS. Honestly I feel like something is missing from my daily life without these games. Also, they will probably show us what's best in the current meta with all the crazy picks right now.

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CloudTemplar on 8.11, Marksman, and its impact on pro scene

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 07:21 AM PDT

Following is all CloudTemplar's opinions(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMC751qiSZ4&t=0s) translated by me. PM me for any translation error.

 

History Lesson

We call the meta where an adc and a support goes bot and have two solo lanes the EU meta. Why do we call this the EU meta? Because EU was the one who started this, sending marksman and support to bot. There were some variations in this meta. Even when I was a player people were playing brand and Annie bot. There were some picks where they send marksman mid and have a kill lane bottom with riven or something. But this at the end of the day is just a "Joker" pick. There were times when this "Joker" pick became norm. For example when Morde was reworked people started playing him bot but despite that the EU meta still held on its shape.

 

So how did we got into this Bruiser bot meta? I went into the history and found out that... it's complicated. I mean obviously, the patch was part of the reason. Adc's early game power spike was greatly reduced in the favour of a better late game.

 

Another reason is that Bruiser(Korea called it half-tank) went up tier wise. This is due to the new keystone: Conqueror. Pure tank got worse while champions like Yasou and Irelia became stronger.

 

Traditional AP mages have also gone out of flavour. Traditional mage like Azir went down in tier due to patches and it no the longer the flavour of the month.

 

So bruisers went up in tier while traditional AP went down in tier. And then in this patch marksman went down tier wise.

 

So what this means is that people are playing more bruisers like Yasou, Irelia. People also started to play Taric mid and more aggressive junglers. This meta ask the players a simple question: Do we really need to follow the meta? And do we really need a marksman? Do we need really need a marksman when recently they are pretty useless/dumb?

 

It is kind of hard to track the beginning of this butterfly effect but what this caused is that "we don't know who is going where." We don't know. It's a fiesta. I talked to pro players and coaching staff and... they are trying everything. Obviously, even when marksman is not going bot there are still a tier list. The one that is a bit more obvious would be Yasou, Irelia, Mode, and Vladamir. This also applied to support. Do we really need a supportive support bot? No, because they can go mid. Braum, Rakan, Leona they all can go mid. They can then pick a strong jungler and make a kill lane bot.

 

I forgot to say but another reason why this is happening is due to patches that made scuttle more important, game speed faster, and etc. What this meant is that lane priority and snowball became even more important. Have lane priority so that we can eat scuttle and win jungle fights. This is becoming the meta.

 

So why did we use adc in the beginning? Lategame protection, because marksmen are strong in late game. That's why they are called carry. Ever since meta is established in League there is a battle between Snowball and Safety, Teamfight. Even in pro scene, we were like "Hey do we want to snowball? No I want to have some safety." Most of the time in League history Safety wins more. [Snowball <<<< Safety]. "Ha I mean even if you snowball you will eventually run out of steam and we will win late. And we can just pick champions like Tahm Kench to cockblock you." This is the mentality of most pro and to be honest this was the meta.

 

But then Riot kept making the game speed go faster, laning phase matters more now, and lane priority is even more important than before. This is Riot saying "Hey when are you going to stop following EU meta? When will you stop using marksmen out of obligation? Or do we really need to send marksman to bot?" Riot is asking us these question through patches.

 

What happens now in pro scene and high elo solo que is that...[types Snowball >>>> Safety, Teamfight] Now who is the prince of the Safety, Teamfight? It's adc. That's why we are like "our adc baby here is support mommy spoonfeeding you." (https://clips.twitch.tv/ZanyDarlingTigerKappaRoss) Because Adc was the center piece for the Safety, Teamfight meta so when it collapsed adc also fell with it. If we see this in the big picture then we can see that everything is connected.

 

FAQ:

  1. So does this mean we don't need pro adc anymore?

  2. Will this really affect the pro scene? I mean solo que is always a bit crazy but pro scene is a different story....right?

  3. Is this really Riot's intention?

  4. Will EU meta really disappear?

 

 

1.

Let's talk about this with a real example. For example in KZ Khan is probably/obviously better on Irelia than Pray. So isn't better to have Khan bot than Pray? Well first of all, I mean there isn't much time but bot lane pro players are all practising bruisers right now(Pray played a lot of Morde recently). If adc pro players are like "What bruiser bot? When are marksman playing Yasou? I am marksman. I am only playing Cait(A stab at Forgiven?)" then they don't deserve to be pro player. We don't know how much they could improve but there are still other reasons to use pro marksman player.

 

This is connected to other question but do we really not use marksman? Like really? Even when marksman are nerfed would you still not use marksman? Like how many marksman champions are there in the game? Do you think Riot is dumb? Do you really think they will make these Champions unviable? At most, they will probably move to another lane. There will also be patches that fix it.

 

"Okay so you top laner you might know about the champion more than me but do you know how to lane at bot? I mean it might be better for me to learn the champion than for you to come bot." Adc players could ask if the top laners knows the details of laning in bot. There is teamwork involved there is wave manipulation involved. Just because you know the champion it doesn't mean you could lane with it. So adc are saying OK let me practice Irelia because I am pretty sure we could lane with it better than you.

 

3&4.

Is this really Riot's intention? I talked to a lot of pro players, coaches, and other casters and shared our thoughts. I think if you see recent patches it gave me the feeling that Riot may have wanted to break the EU meta and reduce marksman's power.

 

I think Riot didn't want to make a game where marksman is unusable. I mean marksman has to be there to create some excitement and tension. Like during late game team fight adc flashes in and goes *Bang Bang. And think about how many marksmen is in the game and how many skins they have? It doesn't make sense to completely obliterate one position. I think Riot right now are in some sort of panic. "Hmm I mean it is good to have new ways to play the game but it's not good for marksman to be ignored. Oh no if we do something wrong marksman might disappear... oh no we can't let that happen." I think Riot right now is having a headache[trying to solve this issue]. I think what Riot really wanted is that it is OK to have EU meta and it is also OK to have Kill lane bot. That is the most optimal state but it is going to hard to balance that. So overall I don't think Riot intended for Marksman to be so weak. I think it is only questions of time that a patch will come to give some buff to Marksman or they would send Marksman to another lane. They won't kill Marksman. They can't. They will always save Marksman. This is kind of connected to the first question of whether Pro adc player will go out of flavour. No, Marksman will inevitably be strong again. We will always need pro adc players. That's what I think anyway.

 

2.

So will this happen in Pro scene? Ahhh this is an interesting/fun topic. If I talk in percentage I am 70% expecting some big changes. There are about 20%-30% people who think things won't change a lot[with a traditional mid/top/jungle and maybe some different pick bottom] but overwhelmingly there is a movement that seeks some major changes. Even in pro scene. It is going to be really fun. It is going to be a fiesta. Pro teams are trying champions that you couldn't even imagine. "Oh this champion is actually pretty good in this lane" to be honest even I am not sure what's going to happen.

 

For sure after a while, the meta will stabilize. But what are we suppose to do before that? Are you telling us to go in completely blind? Yeah... that's not much we can do. To be honest I don't even know. There are even some pro teams that don't know what's going to happen. They are like "well, let's try and we will figure out on the way." Right now we are in that kind of situation.

 

Let's give it another perspective on Marksman. Right now meta are terrible at protecting adc [since bruisers are strong while full tank are weak]. Everyone is going in to fight while adc is standing there like a dummy. Everyone is fighting while the adc is makes a face getting cut down and dies. So you could say that if we draft for the adc and play by the book then could adc still be effective? You could make that argument but here comes the counter-argument. Ok what you said made some sense but what were we talking about? This meta has become lane priority centric. Teams with lane priority could snowball so much harder than before. Game tempo is going faster and faster. This is not an age where we could wait for adc to have third, fourth items. This is the meta where we fight after one or two core item. Let's talk about drafting for the adc which mean drafting a full tank. Full tanks are weak in lane. If you draft like that you couldn't survive the early game. Do you admit that?...... Yeah I admit thatnod nod.

 

Tldr: So at the end of the day what does this mean? It's a fiesta. "Oh this is strong[in this lane]." Then pick that and dominate the lane. That's the meta.

 

I mean after a while meta will inevitably stabilize. A patch will come and the meta will stabilize. So overall it's not bad I think.

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In the future, Riot has taken over the world. I escaped, I need your help. Part 2.

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 11:31 AM PDT

PART 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8q8wpx/in_the_future_riot_has_taken_over_the_world_i/

About an hour has passed since I ran into the rifle-wielding man and his hooded accomplice, we've been walking ever since. The surroundings have barely changed, cracked concrete floors and walls being the only things in our line of sight. I start questioning myself whether it was a good idea to follow them at all, how do I even know if I can trust them?

 

"Here" said the armed, balding man. "This will do".

 

It looked exactly like any other place we've already passed, but the confidence in his voice couldn't be questioned. We stopped.

"Fucking finally!" the hooded man exclaimed as he sat down. He had been complaining non-stop ever since we started walking, I truly admire his partners patience with him.

 

I had quite the pressure on my bladder at this point, so I went behind a wall of concrete to take a piss. When I came back, to my surprise there was a fucking bonfire right there in the middle of nowhere, right on the solid, dry floor, no flammables within sight. I guess you learn a thing or two in the army. We weren't freezing or anything, there was probably no necessity for it whatsoever. But I didn't question it.

 

I go and sit down next to the bonfire and finally get the opportunity to start asking questions.

"Who are you guys? And what are you doing here?

The balding man inhaled heavily. And softly exhaled.

 

"My name is Konstantinos-Napoleon Tzortziou" he said, his eyes staring blankly into the fire.

No way I will remember that-

"But people call me Forgiven, with a 1 instead of the I" he quickly added.

Oh.

 

I've heard about the legend of Forg1ven before. An extremely dominant "Marksman" player, forced to leave competitive gaming to serve his country. I'd never thought I get to meet him. But here we are.

 

Forg1ven leaned back on his arms "Hash, introduce yourself" he said.

 

Hash? Who could this player be? Surely someone of equal skill on the Rift.

 

The man slowly took off his hood, revealing his long, red hair straight out of a L'oreal commercial, Miss Fortune edition. He stared at me, his face now completely visible.

 

I still had no idea who he was.

"I'm Hashinshin" he said, with a look on his face signaling disappointment.

"I'm sorry, who?" I asked.

 

Forg1ven sat up again, "Hash, do it" he said.

"I really don't want to do it, said the red-haired man"

The balding Marksman legend repeated himself with the tone of a father scolding his son. "Do it".

"Alright." He replied as he stood up. After violently inhaling, he yells;

 

"RRRIIIIIIIIIIIGHT THROOOUGH COUNTERSTRIIIIIKE!"

 

OH

How could I be so stupid.

"Yeah I know you, Hashinshin." I said assuringly.

He sat back down looking slightly ashamed.

 

"Where are we anyways?" I asked, gazing around the massive hall of emptiness.

Forg1ven replied "We are right in the heart of the enemy, Riots headquarters." His forehead sweating up from the fire, the remaining hairs on his head tightly grasping his scalp.

"This is where it all ended, and where it all began" Hashinshin added.

"What do you mean?" I quickly asked.

 

Hashinshin lets out a huge sigh, "The Uzi clones, this is where the games were held, when the west lost''.

 

Those words were followed by a few minutes of silence. I saw one big tear running down from Forg1vens cheek. The man who had been calmly looking at the fire uptil now, looking so composed, to my surprise, released a part of his inner frustration.

 

Forg1ven lashed out, screaming;

"I COULD HAVE BEEN THERE, THIS WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. THEY KNEW HOW BADLY REKKLES CHOKES WHEN HE'S PLAYING AGAINST ONE UZI, BUT THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO PUT HIM AGAINST FIVE? FUCK" He punched the now smoldering fire with all his might, with no care for the burns it would cause.

"FUCK" he yelled again, continously pounding the fire, embers flying in every direction.

 

Suddenly, the floor cracked, a big hole was torn in the concrete. The faces of Hashinshin and Forg1ven went pale.

Hashinshin asks, "Is this?"

 

Forg1ven calmed down, looked at his burned, ash-covered fist, and let out a laugh of relief, "I didn't think we'd find it so soon" he said, smiling at his partner, as if a miracle had just happened.

"What's going on?" I asked, utterly confused.

The balding Marksman continued in widening the hole, Hashinshin starts helping too, and also complains about the dust making his nose runny. Well, two people are manically digging with nothing but hope in their eyes, I couldn't just stand and watch.

 

Hashinshin catches a glimpse of something, "THERE!", pointing his finger.

 

Forg1ven yells,

"YES, THIS IS IT, THIS IS IT HASH, WE FOUND IT, WHAT WE CAME FOR", hugging him as if they'd just won Worlds with a reverse sweep. They both jump down into the hole, with no consideration for how long the fall would be, I follow shortly after. Me and Hashinshin both hurt our asses really bad on the way down, but Forg1ven did some army shit and tumbled on his landing.

 

What the hell is this? A pod? Underground?

A pod looking like the nest of Cthulhu. Warning signs, chains, and something that seems to be cans upon cans of a bodybuilding supplement of some sort, powder sprinkled everywhere. The letter "T" is inscribed on the pod.

 

Forg1ven takes his hand and brushes off powder and dust from the letter. A number is revealed next to it, the number "1".

 

The balding man takes a look at me, with a menacing grin on his face. "We are gonna give these fuckers hell".

TO BE CONTINUED

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