Super Smash Bros - Official r/smashbros Monthly Voted Tier List (July 2017): Results!


Official r/smashbros Monthly Voted Tier List (July 2017): Results!

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 06:56 PM PDT

I'm back again, and about time too! And this time, I'm in the mood! (to post results!)

(okay that didn't work as well as it did in my head)


Welcome to my Redditstaurant! Here's our menu:

S Tiers are best, most viable characters in the game. "The Meta," if you will. They are always able to place high at tournaments, and their strengths tend to outweigh their weaknesses considerably.

A (A+/A/A-) Tiers are characters who don't define the meta, but are definitely viable and able to compete. They may possess a few noticeable flaws or lack very big strengths, but they are able to be worked around. Use of these characters will never hold the player back.

B (B+/B/B-) Tiers are characters who are able to do very well in tournament, but are held back from consistently placing high. This can be because of several flaws, very large flaws, bad match-ups, or other reasons. However, they are definitely still threats.

C (C+/C/C-) Tiers are characters who are really only good for situational or limited use. They have potential, but this potential is limited by their struggle against popular characters in the meta. They can be very useful in certain match-ups.

D Tiers are characters who are not tournament viable in any sense. They are littered with too many weaknesses to even have occasional use as a pocket. A player would be severely limited by these characters.

In terms of Miis, they are ranked with both their default and custom movesets. Default Miis are marked with a "1111," while freed custom moveset Miis are not marked. Both default and custom moveset Miis are average (guest) size and do not have any custom equipment.

Here's our special, "The Tier List!"

Would you like some Mii with that dish?

Here's last month's special, in case you were curious.


Interesting things to note:

  • Of the fairly established Top 12 we've had for several months, Fox is the only one who rose in placing, going from 9th to 6th. He also rose into A+ Tier.

  • Of that same group of 12, Mario is the only one who droppped a few placings, going from 7th (at the end of A+) to 9th (near the middle of A).

  • Mewtwo dips into A- Tier, the first time any of our Top 12 has since this February.

  • After shooting up towards the top of A- two months ago, Lucina starts to cool off, falling three places to the bottom of A- Tier.

  • B Tier sees an all-time low in size, shrinking to only 2 characters.

  • Olimar and Game and Watch tie for the largest fall, with both falling 4 places (and Olimar in particular falling down a tier).

  • Samus, on the other hand, sees the largest rise, moving up four spots towards the top of B-.

  • The Pits are no longer united. Hopefully they're still on good terms! (then again, I think the Hero of Time and an intergalactic bounty hunter could stop that fight fairly handily)

  • Jr. Tier makes a reappearance.

  • Zelda, who was consistently a tier above him just two months ago, has dipped under Ganondorf.


It's time for this month's

"Funsie" Question!

This time around, the questions asked dealt with amiibo, to celebrate the release of the final 3 (well, techincally 6) Smash amiibo! Now, of course, not everybody is super interested in amiibo, so the first question asked was "how many amiibo, if any, do you own?" According to the results, only a fourth of the voters did not own any amiibo. Around a third of the voters did own one or two amiibo, and a little over a third owned several. 5 voters even owned all 62 Smash amiibo!

When those who did own amiibo were asked if they bought non-Smash amiibo, the count was pretty even. However, slightly more respondents were not interested in other amiibo series and have only bought Smash amiibo.

When the respondents were asked what they thought the "best" Smash amiibo was (the best-looking, the coolest, or whatever you define "best" as), three amiibo in particular were mentioned more than the others; Advent Children Cloud (11 votes), Ganondorf (10 votes), and Mr. Game & Watch.


/u/DiamondJoyride machine broke has been a bit busy as of late. He'll be back to take out your meme trash tomorrow.


And that's about it!

Just one more thing: like I've been saying for the last three months, PM me with ANY CRITIQUE OR IDEAS FOR THE MONTHLY TIER LIST! I'm still getting suggestions in the meme section; they're too quality to be thrown there! Please PM me with ideas so I can follow up with you on them :)

With that being said, until next month, this is /u/mu_II, signing off! not yet actually, why can't anybody remember to flair their posts?

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Daily Discussion Thread 08/04/17

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 12:11 AM PDT

Welcome to the Daily Discussion Thread series on /r/smashbros! Inspired by /r/SSBM and /r/hiphopheads's DDTs, you can post here:

  • General questions about Smash

  • General discussion (tentatively allowing for some off-topic discussion)

  • "Light" content that might not have been allowed as its own post (please keep it about Smash)

Other guidelines:

  • Be good to one another.

  • While DDT can be lax, please abide by our general rules. No linking to illegal/pirated stuff, no flaming, game debates, etc.

  • Please keep your meme spam contained to the sticky comment provided below.

If you have any suggestions about future DDTs or anything else subreddit related, please send them our way! Thanks in advance!

Also, if you want to chat with other /r/smashbros users you can do so via our Discord channel.

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aMSa joins Axe for Red Bull Smash Gods & Gatekeepers

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 12:51 PM PDT

Hello, it's the Melee Piano Guy ... I had a few requests for "Break The Targets" so here it is ...

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 05:14 PM PDT

Hjelte: A TSM Leffen Series - Trailer

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 02:58 PM PDT

/r/videos gets triggered over Hbox responding to a taunt

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 04:32 AM PDT

Falcon player takes out an entire 5 man crew (15 stocks) without losing a single stock at monthly tournament in AZ

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 02:34 PM PDT

PSA: GRTr4sh has a patreon account making only $1 a month

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 03:48 PM PDT

After watching his evo video I found him on patreon. It feels almost criminal how little he gets for such amazing content. As of this post he is only getting a dollar a month. I will be the first to add to the donation.

♪ Season of the Witch ♫ (EVO 2017): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oSeRGe8Jd8&feature=youtu.be

His Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4584816

EDIT: By the way this is his real patreon account he just doesn't advertise it much. I found it by looking at his about page on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChPE_pVN58afOg4Dh4vznsA/about

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S2J joins Mango for Red Bull Smash Gods & Gatekeepers

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 12:26 PM PDT

Redbull Smash Gods and Gatekeepers - Super Smash Bros. Melee presented by SSBM Tutorials

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 08:05 AM PDT

Generic Smash Player Generator

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 01:00 PM PDT

Gamecube HDMI adapter, no mods required, apparently lag free

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 08:33 AM PDT

♪ Season of the Witch ♫ (EVO 2017) - GRTr4sh

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 08:35 AM PDT

mang0's alternatives to the 8 minutes timer:

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 07:02 AM PDT

https://clips.twitch.tv/DeliciousPerfectMomResidentSleeper

https://clips.twitch.tv/CrackyLovelyTeaRedCoat

https://clips.twitch.tv/StupidSavageHummingbirdBibleThump

"All of a sudden Leffen and Armada are taking those pictures on day 3 now, Leffen's not tweeting calling people mean anymore" lmao

A regional with that second ruling would be so hype and funny though.

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The top 15 on the PGRv3 are all confirmed for GameTyrant Expo.

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 12:58 PM PDT

Leo and Javi's disgusting 2v1 at Smash Factor 6

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 05:37 PM PDT

In a top 8 match between Mango and PPMD, who's side would the crowd be on?

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 08:49 AM PDT

Disregarding any rust PPMD has and any streak or rut Mango is in, who do you think the crowd will root for?

Mangonation is always present, but even mango loves PPMD and everyone wants to see him make a great return.

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SmashLadder's Current Status

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 07:58 AM PDT

Hello there fellow smashers. A lot of people have and will notice the site's not functioning as it should and it's believed to be one of multiple possible issues; number one being a possible DDOS attack. Anther has been dealing with issues for weeks and honestly, given the circumstances, it is believed to be this. Anther is looking into both a new server and of course, stronger ddos protection but this may take an uncomfortable amount of time so please bear with us.

Who knows until the end but in the mean time, the Smashladder discord is up and running for those looking for matches. I will do my best to keep users up to date on Intel but I will mention, I do have my hands full with other things. Here is the Link to the SmashLadder Discord. Out of courtesy, please use the respective channels for what they are intended for.

Thank you and happy smashing!

~ E2xD

*eddit

Looks like things are up and running but will leave this up just in case

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Myran gets a JV3 in 57 seconds

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 04:07 PM PDT

Yoshi with some more Z-axis shenanigans

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 06:31 PM PDT

Takera is going to SCR Saga!

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 10:40 AM PDT

For those who don't know who takera is, he is a Japanese Ryu player. He took 7th at Umebura Japan Major as well as 5th at Umebura 27 this year. He has taken sets off of big name players as well this year such as Edge, KEN, MKLeo, Rain, Rizeasu, T, Tsu, and Umeki. Unfortunately he had a underwhelming performance at EVO taking 65th and losing to 9B and k9sbruce. Let's see if he can redeem himself in the US.

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Smash The Record 2017 Registration Closes in 3 Weeks! Here's a Few Reasons Why You Should Attend!

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 12:40 PM PDT

SUP!

RagingCherry here, reminding everyone that Smash The Record 2017 registration is ending in a few short weeks, and wanted to push everyone to register sooner than later (as our hotel room discount ends soon, and there are some events you'll want to be part of).

Please note that the STR hotel discount increases on August 15th, so be sure to book now!


smash.gg/str


Unique / Special Events to STR!

  • The Empty Canvas Project
    • Submit Your Content Now!
    • YOU can help make content at STR 2017! We will grant up to 1 hour of dedicated stream time to those who get accepted in!
    • Submit an idea (similar to speedrunning submissions) and have a chance to perform it live at STR on the [VGBootCamp](Twitch.tv/vgbootcamp) channel in front of thousands of viewers.
    • Each submission must have a donation incentive to be considered
    • Submissions Live: July 21st - August 14th
    • Accepted Submissions Posted: August 22nd
  • STR Community Drive
    • Contest runs August 14th - 28th, 2017
    • Raise money for St. Jude and earn prizes while doing it!
    • The Top 3 largest donors (individual or team) will have their branding on the STR stream at all hours of the event!
    • Emote/logo present in the broadcast
    • Regular shout-outs by commentators
    • Twitter profile image remade to include the Top 3's emotes/image
  • Pros vs. Baddies
    • Crew battle where we give a pro 16 stocks vs. a ton of baddies 100 stocks total
    • Donations add stocks to the crew battle (on both sides, but heavily favored in the baddies)
  • Rock Paper Scissors Tournament!
    • Top 8 of RPS will premiere before Top 8 of Smash 4 on Sunday!
  • NorCal vs. SoCal Crew Battle
    • 8 vs. 8 crew battle taking place Friday night of the event!
  • Plae With Bae
    • Doubles tournament where you team with your significant other!
  • And of course, Melee/Smash 4 Singles & Doubles tournaments!

SPEEDRUNNING INFO


Registration Information & Tiers

  • Late Registration ($50): July 20th - August 24th (11:59 PM Pacific)
  • At-Door Spectator Pass ($60)
  • Be sure to register before we hit registration caps for doubles events (128 teams per event)!
  • Side event registration will be taken throughout the duration of the event!
  • All event fees ($5 for Smash games, $3 for Rock-Paper-Scissors) will get donated directly to St. Jude!

Get Involved


Flight Information

  • The Ontario International Airport (ONT airport code) is the closest airport to the venue, which includes free shuttles to and from the DoubleTree.
  • NOTE that booking flights to LAX may be cheaper, but will put you ~55 miles away from the venue
  • The venue is the same place as Paragon Los Angeles 2015 (just different room), so if you attended Paragon, you'll be familiar with travel/transportation options.

Hotel Information

  • Book Your Room Here!
  • Book by August 14th to receive the STR discount!
  • DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Ontario Airport
  • 222 N Vineyard Ave, Ontario, CA 91764
  • Book by August 14th to reserve your room!
  • Rates from 134.00 USD/Night!
  • The DoubleTree is right next door to the Convention Center!

OFFICIAL EVENT STREAMS


Be sure to follow the event below!

Discord

STR Twitter

Cherry's Twitter

Twitch

YouTube


Contact: cherry@smashtherecord.com

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Smash Factor 6 - Pools - Hyuga vs KLG | Joaji

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 01:22 PM PDT


Pools

Toon Link Diddy Hyuga 2 - 1 KLG Joaji Rosa
--- = TLink Smashville Rosa = 1 Stock
2 Stock = Tlink Smashville Rosa = ---
2 Stock = Tlink Smashville Rosa = ---

Generated by Tournament Tabler


End of Game 1

Nice

End of Game 2

End of Game 3

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Dunkmaster - A Ragna Combo/Hype Video

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 09:46 AM PDT

Meetings Between the Top 6 in Tournament and Grand Finals

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 11:23 AM PDT

More random statistics and trivia I suppose. Here's a table of the first and most recent meetings between the top 6.

Sets First Tournament Meeting (Winner) Last Tournament Meeting (Winner)
Armada vs. Hungrybox Apex 2010: Winner's Semifinals (Hungrybox) and Grand Finals (Hungrybox) Smash N' Splash 3 (2017): Winner's Finals (Hungrybox)
Armada vs. Mango GENESIS (2009): Winner's Finals (Armada) and Grand Finals (Mango, Mango) EVO 2017: Winner's Finals (Armada) and Grand Finals (Armada)
Armada vs. Mew2King GENESIS (2009): Winner's Semifinals (Armada) EVO 2017: Winner's Semifinals (Armada)
Armada vs. Leffen SKN3 (2011): Winner's Finals (Armada) Dreamhack Summer 2017: Winner's Finals (Armada) and Grand Finals (Armada)
Armada vs. PPMD Apex 2010: Loser's Semifinals (Armada) GENESIS 3 (2016): Winner's Semifinals (Armada)
Hungrybox vs. Mango Freedom to Melee (2009): Winner's Finals (Mango) EVO 2017: Winner's Semifinals (Mango) and Loser's Finals (Mango)
Hungrybox vs. Mew2King FAST 1 (2008): Winner's Quarters (Mew2King) Dreamhack Atlanta 2017: Loser's Finals (Hungrybox)
Hungrybox vs. Leffen Apex 2013: Winner's Round of 16 (Hungrybox) Get On My Level 2017: Winner's Finals (Leffen) and Grand Finals (Leffen)
Hungrybox vs. PPMD Tipped Off 4 (2009): Loser's Semifinals (Hungrybox) EVO 2015: Loser's Finals (Hungrybox)
Mango vs. Mew2King EVO World 2007: Winner's? Bo1 (Mango) Dreamhack Austin 2017: Loser's Semifinals (Mew2King)
Mango vs. Leffen Apex 2014: Loser's Semifinals (Mango) Smash N' Splash 3 (2017): Loser's Quarterfinals (Leffen)
Mango vs. PPMD Winter Game Fest VI (2011): Winner's Finals (PPMD) and Grand Finals (PPMD) GENESIS 3 (2016): Loser's Quarterfinals (Mango)
Mew2King vs. Leffen Apex 2012: Winner's Round of 32 (Mew2King) EVO 2017: Winner's Quarterfinals (Mew2King)
Mew2King vs. PPMD Tipped Off 5 (2009): Loser's Finals (Mew2King) EVO 2014: Loser's Quarterfinals (PPMD)
Leffen vs. PPMD Smasher's Reunion: Melee Grande (2012): Loser's Finals (PPMD) Apex 2015: Winner's Finals (PPMD)

Here's a table of their first meetings in grand finals, as well as their most recent one.

Sets First Grand Final Meeting: Winner Last Grand Final Meeting: Winner
Armada vs. Hungrybox Apex 2010: Hungrybox Smash Summit Spring 2017: Armada
Armada vs. Mango GENESIS (2009): Mango, Mango EVO 2017: Armada
Armada vs. Mew2King Super SWEET (2014): Armada UGC Smash Open (2016): Mew2King, Armada
Armada vs. Leffen Tampora 2.0 (2011): Armada Dreamhack Summer 2017: Armada
Armada vs. PPMD Pound V (2011): PPMD, PPMD Apex 2015: Armada, PPMD
Hungrybox vs. Mango Winterfest 2009: Mango Super Smash Con 2016: Mango
Hungrybox vs. Mew2King HERB2 (2009): Mew2King Saints Gaming Live (2017): Mew2King
Hungrybox vs. Leffen FC Smash 15XR: Return (2015): Leffen Get On My Level 2017: Leffen
Hungrybox vs. PPMD Revival of Melee 2 (2009): Hungrybox Tipped Off 9 (2013): PPMD
Mango vs. Mew2King Pound 3 (2008): Mango, Mango Paragon Los Angeles 2015: Mango
Mango vs. Leffen Battle Arena Melbourne 7 (2015): Mango Get On My Level 2016: Leffen
Mango vs. PPMD Winter Game Fest VI (2011): PPMD Kings of Cali (2012): PPMD
Mew2King vs. Leffen Super Smash Con 2015: Leffen PAX Prime 2015: Mew2King
Mew2King vs. PPMD Revival of Melee 3 (2010): PPMD SKTAR 3 (2014): PPMD
Leffen vs. PPMD Never Never

Feel free to point out any mistakes and I'll fix them.

  • It's been two years since we've had Mango-M2K grand finals. Not including the PPMD sets, this is the grand finals that we haven't seen in the longest time.

  • Armada has the best record in the first meetings between the top 6, being 4-1, while Leffen has the worst, being 0-5.

  • The Top 6 besides Leffen met in tournament in 2010 or earlier, besides Mango and PPMD who did not play til 2011.

  • Leffen-PPMD Grand Finals when

  • Mango has the best record in first grand finals meetings, being 4-1, while Mew2King has the worst being 1-4.

  • Armada has won all of his most recent grand final meetings with the top 6.

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PGStats director says Smash 4's growth model is unsustainable

Posted: 03 Aug 2017 10:18 PM PDT

https://twitter.com/PG_suar/status/893220171137077250

He says that with the current "trickle-down" model (as he calls it), the scene "won't make it into the next year", and that pot bonus should be used for other purposes to prevent that.

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Resource Allocation: How to Handle the Problems with Pot Bonuses

Posted: 04 Aug 2017 10:10 AM PDT

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