Heroes of the Storm - HGC North America :: Even in Death vs Tempo Storm :: Discussion Thread


HGC North America :: Even in Death vs Tempo Storm :: Discussion Thread

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 04:40 PM PDT

Previous match thread: HGC North America :: Roll20 esports vs Gale Force eSports :: Discussion Thread.

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When?

The match should start at about the same time as this post was posted.

Streams

Community challenges

HGC resources

Teams

Even in Death vs Tempo Storm
Batterry warrior - flex cattlepillar
FrozenX ranged/flex - ranged/flex CauthonLuck
HaoNguyen support - warrior Fury
Homicidal melee/flex - support Jun
Lutano ranged/flex - flex psalm

Match format

Matches in the HGC league are best-of-5.

Each team bans one battleground. Then, the "home" team chooses a battleground for the first game. In the following games of a match, the losing team of the previous game will have the choice for battleground selection or first hero pick in the draft.

Battleground bans

  • Even in Death: TBD
  • Tempo Storm: TBD

Game version

HGC Phase 2 Week 1 is played on the May 31 balance patch, same as the Mid-Season Brawl. This means that Malthael, Malfurion's rework and Thrall's rework are not yet in the game.

Match reports, VODs

Website Link
Master League -
Twitch -

For feedback about the match thread, please contact /u/lerhond.

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Powercreep in Heroes of the Storm

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 09:56 AM PDT

Can we have an actual discussion on powercreep in HoTS?

Not "These heroes aren't overpowered, just learn to play!" Not "Winrate means nothing, who cares if they're picked in almost every pro game" Not "Just stun them! Their counter is stuns! As i've said multiple times, if a hero's only counter is stuns that's a huge problem.

I think Srey sums it up very well: The last few hero releases have instantly been placed in S and A tier because of their kits being stuffed with everything. Heroes like Genji single handedly push all mages who cannot defend themselves out of the meta; you either stay with your team or die with no option to defend yourself. Most Li-Ming, Kael, ,Gul'dan, and even Jaina players understand where i'm coming from. You either sit on-top a fort with more than 50% health, stay near your team with more than 50% health, or just die.

As Srey sums up nicely, a Malth can just 1v3 you. He's a "tank killer" who destroys non tanks. I don't think the problem with malth is his kit, like genji, but just the numbers. He's insanely overtuned right now. The old "Just kite him!" arguement is nothing, as he'll just kill your frontline or teleport near you with a mark from your frontline. Not to mention these new heroes don't have any mana problems, compared to other heroes with comparable strength.

I can't think of a moment where i thought genji or malth were a bad choice to pick. If the enemy team has 5 stuns, you could still play them and be fine.

Dva: The same mobility problem genji has; she has insane burst mobility, and is very difficult to kill. Her defense matrix also has strange interactions with DoT's and delayed attacks. Her mech explosion can also null entire objectives, like the wave on braxis, from a huge range. It's not the same as Ragnaros. Lava wave does reduced damage to the wave, and doesn't instantly kill the majority of it. Ragnaros's form can also be stopped, by simply killing it or ccing him before it's cast. The wave also needs to be right ontop of him for him to swing and kill it all; dva also zones your entire team from the wave when she uses her explosion. Not to mention the tankiness and damage of DVA outside of her mech; she's almost as strong as Zul'Jin. I think DVA needs to be more vulnerable outside of her mech; the threat of the explosion oneshotting you already zones most heroes from even trying to kill you, nonetheless her having 50% more health than murky in her "fragile" state.

So what can be done? Malth is obvious; nerf his numbers. He's currently 58% winrate with a SIXTY percent pickrate. (Almost everytime a new hero comes out this broke, they leave it for a while and it's horrible for the state of the game.) He has a base health of more than 2000, while having decent mobility and great sustain. Making him more susceptible to burst would go a long way, and nerfing his non-tank damage would do alot. He currently does the base basic attack damage of valla, with slower attack speed for a better stutter step.

Dva: Make her easier to kill outside of her mech. She shouldn't be a mini Zul'Jin outside of her mech, no pistol should do 228 base dps at level 1. She's doing the dps of a fully stacked valla, in her "weak" form. Her mech also shouldn't do so much damage to objectives, expecially braxis holdout.

Genji, Genji, Genji... where to start? His numbers are alright, but his mobility is rediculous. Reducing the range of his dash by 20%, making it unable to go through terrain as a base ability, making dragonblade have reduced duration/cooldown so he can't wipe out a backline with a huge aoe. Even making his w have a lower duration/cooldown would go a long way to make him more skill-based, and give more counterplay to his opponents. Right now, it doesn't matter how out of position you are as genji, as you can just dash over multiple walls to escape, and jump over another if that's not enough.

How do you think these heroes can be balanced? Malth's 58% winrate, Dva's 53%, even genji's insane pick rate in pro games/HL. It's really ruined my willingness to play the game with rising powercreep and the inability to play any hero who cannot deal with the current OP lineup.

Edit: typo

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Artanis Literally Carrying Diablo

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 05:44 PM PDT

The ragdolls in this game never cease to amaze amuse me.

I was super-confused at what happened to Artanis, like I had gotten some sort of weird Zerg infestation debuff like how Murlocs attach. Then I realized it was Diablo.

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Showerthought: Leoric gets combat medic because he is a support at heart.

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 10:40 AM PDT

So, i realized Drain hope heals every single allied unit, except traitors.

"but leoric only heals himself!"

Well, that should tell you something!

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I don't mind the weird comp in QM, I actually embrace that but getting matched with people that played less then 100 game with an MMR of 1200 while mine is at 2400 is infuriating, damn it.

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 09:24 AM PDT

I know, it's just QM, but still why is this even happening? Whatever the mode it just ruin the fun for everyone and it just make me want to never play this game again. My friends already left this game long time ago because of this non sense but I keep playing because I like this game but stuff like this is slowly starting to push me away. And yes, I know, HOTSLOG MMR isn't the most accurate but it does gives an general idea and there's nothing else at the moment.

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Khroen's new Open Division Team

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 03:21 PM PDT

Lvl 100 Lili

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 02:39 PM PDT

http://imgur.com/a/QCnWJ

Why? Because she's cute and awesome!!

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Mene god: "Don't mind mee! I'm just gonna delete your Tassadar real quick, no one will even notice it"

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 07:27 PM PDT

Just had a thought why Malthael has a high winrate

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 03:01 PM PDT

Since Malthael's damage is almost entirely percentage based, when the enemy is ahead 2-3 levels their health advantages do absolutely nothing. When it comes to level lead, only talent leads and raw damage affects a Malthael on a losing team. A level 16 Malthael can do the same exact damage to the enemy as if he was 20.

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Genji has abnormally small matches played with stealth heroes in quick match

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 03:16 PM PDT

I discovered this since Genji release but no one believed me.

According to HotsLogs, in quickmatch, Genji almost never plays with the other stealth heroes. A while back, Blizzard adjusted the quickmatching rule so that each team can have a maximum of one stealth character (Samuro, Nova, Valeera, Zeratul) aside for premade teams.

It seems that for whatever reason, Genji is tagged as a stealth hero and Quickmatch matchmaker avoids placing him with other stealth heroes.

https://www.hotslogs.com/Sitewide/HeroDetails?Hero=Genji

Here's the link to Genji's page, make sure to choose "Quickmatch", select the "Duos" tab and sort by "Games Played With"

This is like my 4th or 5th time posting this but every time people are like "Na-ah I just played against a team that had Genji and Valeera" not realizing that premade teams can avoid this rule, and also sometimes matchmaker avoids it in case of long queues.

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HeroesHearth Hits 5,000 Members!

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 08:17 AM PDT

Voice lines still revert back to default when load out screen is closed

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 04:51 PM PDT

When a large portion of the Loot box items are voice lines and I literally can't use any of them for months there is a big problem. whats the deal and when is the fix blizzard? This really needs addressed.

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[Poll] With teases of the next hero on the horizon, who would you like to see in the game? (Multiple answers allowed)

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 02:47 PM PDT

[Team League] I matched up with a level 4 player, who only played 5 quick matches before being matched with me, the lack of entry requirements in Team League is ridiculous

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 06:57 PM PDT

Is it really appropriate to ruin the games and waste the time of numerous other players like this?

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Gaz's black hole.

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 10:55 AM PDT

Noob question: How do I play against Lt. Morales?

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 08:04 PM PDT

Whenever I'm against her, I just have no idea what to do. I try to focus her, but I get assblasted by the enemy team until I get to her. If I don't focus her, the enemy team just won't die. How do I play against her?

Note: I play mostly Alarak and Ragnaros.

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HGC China returns tomorrow 11:00 am CEST - presented by Kendric & Tetcher!

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 04:24 AM PDT

Hey guys,

Starting tomorrow, #HGC China will return to phase 2. Just like the other regions, there have been a few roster changes making the league more exciting than before!

What's even more important is the fact that there will be 3 broadcast days instead of 2. In phase 2 you'll be able to catch Chinese Heroes of the Storm from

To give you guys a better overview of what you can expect (especially first-time viewers will hopefully find this helpful), here's a quick summary of the participating teams.

  • CE - placing first in phase 1, they're definitely considered to be the favorites for phase 2 as well. They lost Paradise, who was one of their big playmakers, but Kty (formerly Hots Lady) will fill his shoes.
  • eStar - while the glorious Chinese team around XingC disbanded, the organisation stays in HGC China with a brand new roster, mostly hailing from the now disbanded X-Team. Can eStar continue to play an important role or are they going to drop to the likes of CE and SPT?
  • SPT - despite their disappointing performance at the MSB - mostly due to their main shotcaller and drafter Misaka not making it because of visa issues - the team has stayed intact and seeks to take first place from CE. With strong players like qianxiao, melodyC and misaka this is very much doable!
  • RPG - one of the biggest (pleasant) surprises in phase 1, the infamous duo chicken and wang can certainly come back strong again. What they lacked in phase 1 was experience. Having faced many good teams now, they're definitely a candidate for the top 3.
  • Hots Lady - surprisingly dropped a few player, amongst them their team captain 365. They picked up KIS' support player Pomii who looked very promising in phase 1. Will that be enough to make Hots Lady a contender for the top seeds? Only time can tell.
  • SoA - was considered one of the weaker teams in HGC China but they managed to show moments of brilliance in phase 1 every now and then. Players like uncleG, in particular, are considered to be diamonds in the rough and can certainly cause some upsets on a good day.
  • KT - is a new team on which I currently do not have a lot of data. It remains to be seen how strong they are!
  • WKG - is another new team to find their way into HGC China. Their unique 7-man roster promises some rotations and rumor has it that all players have been playing together for a long time, which might reflect itself in strong synergy both on and off the battlefield.

Thanks for reading and hope to see you soon on the stream!

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In my opinion TLV need to become more than just soak bots.

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 06:33 PM PDT

With power creep in this game adding so many heroes that can perform the function of multiple lane soak/ global presence and map control at an equal or only slightly lower level than TLV while not giving up the ability to teamfight effectively, it has become painfully obvious that TLV are being out shadowed.

With Garden of Terror being out of rotation for so long TLV's winrate has dropped to the lowest its ever been.

And it is obvious why when heros like Azmodan, Zagara, Dehaka, Abathur, and Falstad, can soak and provide map control at a similar level to TLV , but are still able to contribute strongly in teamfights.

I'm not sure what the solution is to making TLV stronger in teamfights, maybe reducing the individual death timers would help them, or maybe making it where you could use long boat while split across the map or possibly even making certain talents like spin to win baseline, but I do know that something needs to be done.

I love TLV I love their playstyle and while I still bust them out and play them teamfight style in unrank and QM games they are severely lacking in this area.

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Australia's 'Netflix tax' to come into effect this week - Aussies, buy your gems before the (potential) price increase!

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 05:35 PM PDT

HGC Europe :: Team Liquid vs Team Dignitas :: Discussion Thread

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 10:55 AM PDT

Previous match thread: HGC Europe :: Fnatic vs Zealots :: Discussion Thread.

Remember to upvote the thread to make it visible after another one is stickied. Thanks!

When?

The match is planned to start at 20:00 CET / 11:00 PT, 5 minutes after this post was posted.

Streams

Community challenges

HGC resources

Teams

Team Liquid vs Team Dignitas
Blumbi warrior - support Bakery
darkmok melee/flex - warrior JayPL
HasuObs flex - ranged Mene
Nurok flex - flex Snitch
Splendour support - melee/flex Zealia

Match format

Matches in the HGC league are best-of-5.

Each team bans one battleground. Then, the "home" team chooses a battleground for the first game. In the following games of a match, the losing team of the previous game will have the choice for battleground selection or first hero pick in the draft.

Battleground bans

  • Team Liquid: Braxis Holdout
  • Team Dignitas: Warhead Junction

Game version

HGC Phase 2 Week 1 is played on the May 31 balance patch, same as the Mid-Season Brawl. This means that Malthael, Malfurion's rework and Thrall's rework are not yet in the game.

Match reports, VODs

Website Link
Master League -
Twitch https://www.twitch.tv/videos/154332512?t=02h12m45s

For feedback about the match thread, please contact /u/lerhond.

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[FANART] Heroes in the Egypt (Heroes of Summer)

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 01:13 PM PDT

Hi all, I created two works that you can look at the links

First Image

Second Image

I'll be very grateful if you vote on my art :3

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Not done with you yet Genji

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 02:01 PM PDT

"HotS Complete" App - New Feature

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 02:31 AM PDT

Hey Guys, I have just update "Hots Complete" App with a long awaited feature - SKINS.

You can now view all the heroes skins (images and videos) and also read the story behind each skin.

 

Enjoy!

 

app link - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.production.holender.hotsrealtimeadvisor

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Srey’s Solo Queue Tier List - Malthael Patch

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 03:52 AM PDT

HGC North America :: Roll20 esports vs Gale Force eSports :: Discussion Thread

Posted: 25 Jun 2017 01:30 PM PDT

Previous match thread: HGC Europe :: Team Liquid vs Team Dignitas :: Discussion Thread.

Remember to upvote the thread to make it visible after another one is stickied. Thanks!

When?

The match is planned to start at 14:00 PT / 23:00 CET, 30 minutes after this post was posted.

Streams

Community challenges

HGC resources

Teams

Roll20 esports vs Gale Force eSports
buds support - support akaface
Glaurung flex - flex Fan
Justing warrior - ranged/flex k1pro
Prismaticism flex - warrior KingCaffeine
Goku melee/flex - melee/flex MichaelUdall

Match format

Matches in the HGC league are best-of-5.

Each team bans one battleground. Then, the "home" team chooses a battleground for the first game. In the following games of a match, the losing team of the previous game will have the choice for battleground selection or first hero pick in the draft.

Battleground bans

  • Roll20 esports: TBD
  • Gale Force eSports: TBD

Game version

HGC Phase 2 Week 1 is played on the May 31 balance patch, same as the Mid-Season Brawl. This means that Malthael, Malfurion's rework and Thrall's rework are not yet in the game.

Match reports, VODs

Website Link
Master League -
Twitch -

For feedback about the match thread, please contact /u/lerhond.

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