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Hearthstone - Kinguin for Charity with paysafecard: Main thread

Kinguin for Charity with paysafecard: Main thread

Posted: 27 Jan 2017 08:44 AM PST

Welcome to the official thread of Kinguin for Charity with PAYSAFECARD powered by Kinguin and PAYSAFECARD.

Click HERE for the English stream.

TABLE OF CONTENT

  1. General Information
    • 1.1 Dates
    • 1.2 Stream
    • 1.3 Prize pool
    • 1.4 Broadcast Talent
  2. Format
    • 2.1 Group Stage
    • 2.2 Playoffs
  3. Participants
  4. Standings
  5. Group Stage
    • 5.1 Group A
    • 5.2 Group B
    • 5.3 Group C
    • 5.4 Group D
  6. Play-offs
  7. Schedule
    • 7.1 Group Stage
    • 7.2 Play-offs
  8. Deck lists
    • 8.1 Group Stage
    • 8.2 Play-offs
  9. Additional Links

1. General Information

1.1 Dates: 28th/29th January, 4th/5th February, 13th/14th February

1.2 Stream: [ENG] Kinguin_net

1.3 Prize pool: $5000

1.4 Broadcast Talent

2. Format

2.1 Group Stage

  • Strike Bo5
  • Four groups of four
  • Dual Tournament
  • Top 2 seeds from each group advance to playoffs

2.2 Playoffs

  • Strike Bo5
  • 8-man Single Elimination

3. Participants

TEAM PLAYER
G2 Esports Thijs
G2 Esports Lifecoach
G2 Esports Rdu
G2 Esports Lothar
Tempo Storm Gaara
Tempo Storm Eloise
Alliance Powder
Alliance Ostkaka
Team Spirit SilverName
Virtus.Pro DrHippi
Cloud 9 Kolento
ArmaTeam Pavel
Misfits StanCifka
CLG Xixo
IHG Ikealyou
Ahq e-Sports Roger
  • Due to a schedule collision, Powder replaces Orange for the entirety of the tournament

4. Standings

PLACE TEAM PLAYER
1 TBD TBD
2 TBD TBD
3 TBD TBD
4 TBD TBD
5-8 TBD TBD
5-8 TBD TBD
5-8 TBD TBD
5-8 TBD TBD
9-12 G2 Thijs
9-12 Ahq Roger
9-12 CLG Xixo
9-12 Alliance Ostkaka
13-16 G2 Lifecoach
13-16 TS Gaara
13-16 Misfits StanCifka
13-16 IHG Ikealyou

5. Group Stage

5.1 Group A

5.2 Group B

5.3 Group C

5.4 Group D

6. Play-offs

6.1 Bracket

7. Schedule

7.1 Group Stage

Date Starting Hour Thread
28.01 6:00 PM CET Group A
29.01 6:00 PM CET Group B
04.02 6:00 PM CET Group C
05.02 6:00 PM CET Group D

7.2 Playoffs

Date Starting Hour Thread
13.02 6:00 PM CET Playoffs Day 1
14.02 6:00 PM CET Playoffs Day 2

8. Decklists

8.1 Group Stage

8.2 Play-offs

9. Additional Links

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Internet tells child who plays Hearthstone: “Grow up!”

Posted: 13 Feb 2017 04:47 AM PST

Kripp reveals his likes and dislikes of HS

Posted: 12 Feb 2017 08:41 PM PST

Another fantastic piece of artwork from YukieTajima

Posted: 13 Feb 2017 01:54 AM PST

Why bashing Pavel over a missed lethal makes no sense.

Posted: 13 Feb 2017 05:14 AM PST

There's probably a few more people in this sub who follow the chess scene as well. So you might have seen the game where Magnus Carlsen, the current world champion and highest rated chess player in history, missed a relatively (by grandmaster standards) easy checkmate in three moves during the Tata Steel super tournament this saturday.

Now, am I saying this is a comparable situation to that of Pavel? No. Am I saying chess and HS are comparable games? No. Is an HS lethal infinitely easier to spot than a multiple moves checkmate? Yes. With all that said, it's important to notice that chess has hundreds of years of formal theory. Carlsen is arguably the most precise player in history and has being playing since the age of 5. He is also a genius by all measurable standards. Still, he missed the play. About 24 hours later the HS world champion made a mistake as well. It happens. If after a long weekend of playing Pavel missed a few plays and even a lethal, that just means he is human (even though his 71% tournament win rate makes it seem otherwise).

Congrats Pavel you are amazing. Plus you were my bet at Blitzcon so thanks for the packs.

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With blizzard finally releasing the top 100 arena players for January shouldn't they do the same for Wild?

Posted: 13 Feb 2017 07:47 AM PST

This would give competitive players who enjoy playing wild more of an incentive to go for high legend, and get the recognition they deserve. I know a few people who hardly play arena, and are now grinding at it trying to make it on the top 100 list now that they introduced it. I understand Wild is supposed to be more of the casual, fun mode opposed to standard, and not as many people play it but I think more people would if they introduced a top 100, or even 50, list every month. I hardly play wild at all, pretty much exclusively standard and I do maybe one arena run a month, but I know some people out there would appreciate this:)

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In response to P4wnyhofs "Truth" video - What really happened in Gentlemen Cup (with proof)

Posted: 12 Feb 2017 12:54 PM PST

Introduction

Hello, I am Aleksi "Wampie" Majander, a competitive player, streamer and caster from Finland. I have been competing in the game since closed beta in late 2013 and even without never really having my big break, i have loved 95% of my time with the game.

One of the few events however which still haunt me to this day is the Gentlemen Cup played from may to october in 2014. The cup was the first team league ever in Hearthstone with 6 teams invited and 2 teams getting their spots from qualifiers. It was amazing up until the last few weeks of league play when it became clear that the admin, "P4wnyhof" was willing to do everything in his power to make sure his team PlanetKey Dynamics would advance over my team vVv Gaming.

In this thread I will address again my original thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2gruxc/disputing_results_of_gentlemen_cup_why_i_feel/) and the P4wnyhof "Truth" video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfsnUP1WkbM ). I will not address the gosugamers article, since back then we never wanted a witch hunt for an individual admin, so the skype logs were never released.

Now it's clear that there is two versions of events, so I aim to prove that P4wnyhof knew his admins rulings regarding vVv were inconsistent from other cases in the league, knew every one of them favored pkd, and was not going to listen to reason because as an admin he has the last say on everything. The issues fall under two categories, miscalculating scores and allowing of standings.

Problems in the score calculations

So Gentleman cup was played with 4 player teams, where each player played another player in a bo3. A win was 2 points and a lose was -2 points, and there was a ace match is the match was 2-2 to determine match winner. The playoffs were to be decided based on matchscore first, gamescore second.

This event starts unfolding 16th of september when P4wny announces the playoffs to be played on the 18th and posts these scores: http://www.gosugamers.net/files/images/features/2014/september/W14.png that right away gave me doubt, since we had calculated our own score, and knew we had to be above PKD in gamescore, and even if we were tied in matches and games, we were 2-0 againts them on our matches, so would win the third tiebreaker.

Basically the scores given here assumed that a freewin we got against eEriness in week 13 gave us the win in matchscore, but 0 points in gamescore. After that we were having problems in our team, and were not allowed to bring in a substitute, so we played with 3 man roster, and was ruled -2 points for Spo not attending.

I contacted p4wny right away about the scores. Logs about the scores can be found here: http://imgur.com/a/ZhmEg

Basically he told me he did not want to give us game points againts eeriness for the free win since "In the end i think it would be unfair giving you a 8-0 for a not attending team - You already got a 1-0 easy mode out of this couldve also been a loss on your side." meanwhile our game with Spo missing was ruled 0-2 because we were playing with missing players. This means in P4wnys argument, coming to the game with 1 player missing and trying to win 3-0 is more punishable than missing the whole week in terms of game score (So in fact we should have skipped last week, have the same Matchscore but better game score).

Roster issues

So what sparked the problem with us having to play with 3 players on week 14 was our internal problems, Basically Portex and Spo had quit at that time, and Kaldi had already left vVv making me and Ostkaka only signed players in team. Kaldi had an agreement with the team to play through the event if needed.

Basically when we realized this issue, even before week 14 Ostkaka informed p4wny about the issue and asked about rules in terms of standings. P4wny responded with "swap them in asap" so we contacted Xixo and Frezzar to stand in for the last week, and after that fact were told that they need to be contracted with vVv in order to play. I dont have all the logs from Ostkaka sadly, but I do have a snippet on my last talk with P4wny before going to reddit: http://imgur.com/a/bGBvi

Now we know there was issues with our roster and we are sorry about that, yet there was a clear precedent with both players joining rosters late (Kolento of Cloud9 and P4wnyhof himself.) There was also a case where a player called Pozmywam playing for P4wnyhofs team in the playoffs, he was never announced, nor was he ever listed in the team website, We never got a answer to why he was allowed to play, but it was basically the last nail to coffin which allowed us to proceed: http://imgur.com/a/cDi6S

Even after we were allowed into the playoffs, P4wny still decided to target us by trying to impose limitations on who we are allowed to find for subtitutes. This log takes place in 19th of september: http://imgur.com/a/wPfcS

You can fairly clearly see he is still trying to force arbitrary rules on us in terms of players we can play with, and the time we have to find the roster.

Highlights

I will share some of the more condeming comments here just for anyone who does not feel like reading through all my images, all the quotes are from P4wnyhof unless stated otherwise.

  • "Ok first of all so you dont get a wrong picture of me having any intend of getting PkD in the play offs - I do not care if it would be PkD or vVv since i wont get anything out of it in the end. - There is the rule in the english rulebook just in so bad english that the german version is the understandable one i can show you that version also (Discussed that matter with Ostkaka already). - In the end i think it would be unfair giving you a 8-0 for a not attending team - You already got a 1-0 easy mode out of this couldve also been a loss on your side."

  • "The Problem about that is the Play Offs are already tomorrow and there is no way it will get delayed after being already promoted. Inconsitent Admin ruling that is your opinion. - Ostkaka reached out to me and missunderstud what i told him about players - I mean taking 2 random player from the internet to fight for you? I guess that should be obvious. - The Rules might not been perfect in the end there is the most important rule - Admins always have the last decision if there is questionable stuff going on."

  • "I used everything to calculate from Liquipedia Scores Visible to everyone. Caunted it 3 times with excel and an intern counting it too. Had to get it clarified - The first is a team walkover the second a player one (Which was announced as not attending) - With a 2 player lineup since Kaldi isnt vVv anymore attendence would be possible - Made exceptions and put the ruling into a 2-0." - Added this because in his video P4wny blames gosugamers for the score misscalculation while gosugamers was actually the ones who demanded recount.

Closing words

Back in the day I did everything I could to be respectful, not name P4wny in any of my posts, comments or even the article. Even though during the controversy I was willing to give him the benefit of doubt, in the end I only asked him the following:

"I think best way way to go about this now is P4wnyhof making a public statement recusing himself from the administration of the the tournament and explains why he decided to rule walkovers that were in favor of us 0-0, and walkovers that were in favor of our opponent 0-2 and address the other points I rose in my reddit post" ( http://i.imgur.com/I4mvbb1.png )

To this date the only thing he has apologized or addressed is the misscount in scores, which was only a minor detail which ended up giving the score in our favor no matter how P4wny tried to enforce the rules, the underlying problem was that he tried to enforce rules in his favor in the first place, and we should not be dismissing it just because it did not work in the end.

If any third parties want to evaluate the logs I am happy to share them, just contact me through my twitter https://twitter.com/WampieHS Also my deepest apologies for Nydra and Take who are present on the logs, I hoped i could only share my personal logs with P4wny, but his behaviour was also apparent in the other discussion so I think it needs to be shared.

Edit

  • fixed few spelling mistakes.
  • Added a quote to show gosu was not behind the wrong scores like video says

Adding a little clarification on the walkovers, When the scores were first presented, vVv and PKD were both 7-7 in matches, and PKD lead the game score with 1. We quickly realized that all the games where our opponent forfeited (4 games in week 13 vs eEriness) gave out 0 game score, yet the only game we forfeited (one game in week 14) gave us -1 gamescore.

Now we didn't care if all walkovers were 0, or all walkovers were 1/-1, since if they were 0 we would be even with PKD and win by third tiebreaker, or if all were 1/-1 since we would have won PKD by 3 game points. We did however object to the fact that they meant 0 when we won due to them, and -1 if we lost due to them.

This ruling actually stood until the end, it just happened that PKDs score was miscalculated from the beginning, and no matter the ruling on forfeits we still happened to be even with them so there was no choice but to let us play

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vS Presents: Game Durations During MSoG Meta

Posted: 13 Feb 2017 09:00 AM PST

Greetings!

The Vicious Syndicate Team has published an article on the subject of game duration during the Mean Streets of Gadgetzan Meta.

In this article you will find:

• Global average game duration during the standard year timeline.

• Average game duration of common archetypes

• Average game duration of common archetypes separately for wins and losses.

• The full article can be found at: Game Duration During MSoG Meta

As always, thank you all for your fantastic feedback and support. We are looking forward to all the additional content we can provide everyone.

Reminder

• If you haven't already and would like to you can sign up here to contribute your track-o-bot data.

Thank you,

The Vicious Syndicate Team

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Top Tier BM from Kripp

Posted: 12 Feb 2017 11:58 PM PST

Tempostorm Meta Snapshot - (February 12th 2017)

Posted: 12 Feb 2017 11:43 PM PST

What if Jade Golems were silenceable?

Posted: 12 Feb 2017 04:30 PM PST

I know Jade Golems are not the problem right now, but they could be too strong, in the future.

So, what if, instead of summoning each Jade Golem with +1/+1 compared to the previous one, every Jade Golem was a 1/1 and had a +1+/+1 buff for each Jade Golem that had been played up until then?

That way, the Golems would be the same, but silenceable; now that Silence isn't that prevalent, it wouldn't affect them horribly, but maybe you could see some Mass Dispels being run for value in a Jade Golem meta.

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Where ya hex at?

Posted: 12 Feb 2017 07:57 PM PST

Amaz gets a reminder of Arena RNG

Posted: 13 Feb 2017 07:07 AM PST

Amnesiac vs Pavel, some stats.

Posted: 12 Feb 2017 01:12 PM PST

After seeing the drama, I decided to look at the stats. I know someone posted the screenshot of Pavel on Gosu, but I decided to extrapolate it a little bit. And be aware, the stats haven't (at least as of writing this up) been updated with the latest HCT data.

Pavel currently has a 70.8861% win rate, over 158 games.

This is why you see casters stating he's a fantastic player, and incredibly consistent - because these figures are not just random luck. On a sample size like that, luck shouldn't be playing as much of a part.

Amnesiac has a 62.5% win rate, over 48 games.

62% win rate is really good. But the sample size is a lot smaller. So how do they stack up?

In order to match Pavel, Amnesiac would need to win 74.5455% of his next 110 games, at Round of 16 or less (Gosu don't usually include large Swiss results).

Check over the top 50 players in Gosu, and you'll see that 74% over 110 matches itself is pretty damn rare.

I look forward to seeing Amnesiac "wipe that grin off of his face myself".

tl;dr - Amnesiac hasn't proven himself to be as good as Pavel.

Obligatory, I probably screwed up my math.

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Fun things can happen in Wild when you run into a bot

Posted: 13 Feb 2017 12:18 AM PST

potentially gamebreaking manic soulcaster bug

Posted: 12 Feb 2017 11:57 PM PST

when a non-golden manic soulcaster is played on a golden card, the animation displays a golden copy being shuffled into the deck, but the drawn copy is not golden. right now, thousands of players are being cheated out of golden kazakus value thanks to blizzard's lazy oversight.

please fix this

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I can't wait for Flamewaker to rotate out

Posted: 12 Feb 2017 06:06 PM PST

Does fixing ladder fix casual? Cause this shit is broken.

Posted: 12 Feb 2017 09:12 PM PST

So I made a mistake tonight. I logged into hearthstone not wanting to grind ladder instead I wanted to just have fun. I saw Toast playing a madam Goya Druid deck and I tweak the list a bit than log into casual. I played about 15 games cause I hate myself. Every single game I knew at least 28 of my opponents cards. I continually played against GOLDEN warriors and shamans playing aggro decks in FUCKING casual.

Why are these people playing casual?

Team 5 please make a game mode where a player can have fun without getting stomped by your bullshit aggro pirate package.

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Walladin - Protect Your Face!

Posted: 13 Feb 2017 06:57 AM PST

http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/732958-grimestreet-walladin

Here i am again, presenting another Paladin deck. Basically i took my interest of taunt warrior and injected that into my midrange buff paladin. The result is a surprisingly viable Walladin. Bring on the fat taunts! Tons of fun, and even capable of taking on the rogues/priests/shamans hanging out on the ladder. It may or may not be straightforward to play at first, depending on how familiar you are with the goons' strategies. I have some replays and screenshots on the deck page if you care to check it out. GLHf

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Congrats to HCT Winter Champion!

Posted: 12 Feb 2017 11:06 AM PST

Congrats Pavel, shutting up all his critics yet again :)

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Chakki's take on the next week in Hearthstone

Posted: 12 Feb 2017 11:43 AM PST

Kibler gets out-skilled

Posted: 13 Feb 2017 09:28 AM PST

I finally hit the Jackpot with this discover

Posted: 12 Feb 2017 09:14 PM PST

Never gonna pick it in a million years

Posted: 12 Feb 2017 10:20 AM PST

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