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Super Smash Bros - Daily Discussion Thread 12/30/17

Daily Discussion Thread 12/30/17

Posted: 29 Dec 2017 11:08 PM PST

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Mike Haze’s contract with Beast Coast ends....

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This comment chain about PPMD unintentionally looks like an increasingly verbose meme, every comment is more detailed than the first.

Posted: 30 Dec 2017 08:42 PM PST

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Posted: 30 Dec 2017 04:40 PM PST

Melee Edit - Thots

Posted: 30 Dec 2017 02:41 PM PST

Keepin' it eSports...or not

Posted: 30 Dec 2017 02:05 PM PST

2GGC Tournaments, Ranked

Posted: 30 Dec 2017 01:53 PM PST

If there is anything on this list you disagree with, please tar and feather me in the town square

11. GENESIS Saga

BEST SET: Zenyou v. ZeRo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz9uwLz9qow

Pros: Uh… Zenyou does really well, and komirikiri and VoiD both do excellently. Tweek shows up and takes a set off MKLeo, who just won ZeRo Saga and is about to win Genesis 4.

Cons: Several players buster out and/or look kind of incapable. Marss and Dabuz both lose sets they absolutely could have won, but play sloppy during (against K9sbruce and DSS respectively). I'll show my cards: I don't remember shit else about this tournament.

10. Midwest Mayhem Saga

BEST SET: Ned vs. VoiD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAMI-mx9KWY

Pros: Ned gets 4th, eliminating Larry Lurr and VoiD.

Cons: ZeRo is kind of painfully dominating at this tournament. Nearly 6-stocks Tweek in Grand Finals, and 3-0's Larry Lurr and AC in yawn-worthy fashion along the way. I love watching ZeRo destroy other players, provided that there's anything else significant at the tournament.

9. Greninja Saga

BEST SET: Ally v. Larry Lurr (WFs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSnXLN1u6ZQ

Pros: Interesting theme showcasing less-seen players of a very little-seen character; Ally kicks ass and makes his flight on time; ANTi makes a huge comeback and gets 4th.

Cons: a relative dearth of top 15 players are present; Greninja completely fails at this tournament, other than Lea upsetting VoiD; ultimately there's just not that many sets from this tournament we remember vividly.

8. SCR Saga

BEST SET: Mistake v. Salem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RZI3a5ZscU

Pros: Salem busts out a fucking Greninja and does really well; Captain Zack finally takes a set off Nairo after getting 3-0'd the last four sets between them (and dances after); MKLeo vs. ZeRo is an amazing set for the first time in months.

Cons: The theme is confusing to FGC outsiders, for whom it was never clear whether this was a SoCal-dedicated tournament or a Ryu-dedicated tournament (or both?). The presence of another Cali-themed tournament a month after leaves this one looking cheap and conceptually half-baked.

7. West Side Saga

BEST SET: ZeRo v. Shuton (WQ): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfjeqPy-dDA

Pros: Shuton returns and does exactly what everyone hoped he would do. Tsu has an AMAZING rematch with ZeRo. Top 8 is half-Japan. Tweek at least takes a game off ZeRo this time. ZeRo has a godlike losers run. Stroder vs. T is unreal.

Cons: This was actually a great tournament. Only con I can think of is that it was one day long, and that (again) the theme is kinda half-baked.

Uh: Also, Stroder takes out the third-best Smash 4 player in the world and gets double-eliminated by Link. Can't really tell if that's a pro or a con.

6. ARMS Saga

BEST SET: Dabuz v. ZeRo (Gfs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crkBeqQMS6U

Pros: Amazing sets from Japanese players, many of whom return to the US for the first time since Civil War (Tsu!!); a terrific Winners Finals and Grand Finals; the return of Dabuz as a top 5 player; the Cloud vs. Rosa matchup looking even; Elegant scoring a down-taunt Luigi kill on komorikiri (and still losing the set)

Cons: Kind of a lame theme, especially considering Little Mac's mediocrity in this game. None of the Little Mac players score significant upsets, or even make above 25th. Nairo, MKLeo, Ally and Salem aren't there.

5. Fire Emblem Saga

BEST SET: Nairo v. Salem (GF): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLrKrXWnQjo&t=38s

Pros: Killer side-tournaments, like the hilarious Chaos bracket; Manny's breakout tournament, where Sonic is kinda fun to watch; a game-breaking Grand Finals where Nairo and Salem essentially see how unfair they can make Smash 4 look.

Cons: Nothing, really. Just a super awesome tournament.

4. Nairo Saga

BEST SET: LFs Salem v. MKLeo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWeMqFd4mIc

Here's an interesting fact about this tournament: it's the only one on this tournament where every top 4 seed made it to Winners Semis. As in: this tournament, for the most part, made sense. There's a different energy to these top 5 player-dedicated tournaments (ZeRo saga, Leo saga). On the way to winners semis each top 4 seed - Ally, Nairo, ZeRo and MKLeo - all 3-0 nearly every opponent. (The only exceptions are Nairo vs. Elegant and Ally vs. Abadango, which both go to game 5.) You get the sense of an unequivocally serious competition, with the added fact that Nairo openly said he would break the curse at this tournament. He ultimately falls 3-0 to two players: ZeRo, his demon of the last three seasons, and Salem, his demon of the next one (and, it seems, indefinitely). It's tragic. It's beautiful. Along the way we have a razor-thin game 5 set between Salem and MKLeo, hinting at things in v4 we could never have imagined; Mistake's most successful tournament yet, where he eliminates Javi hours after he won doubles; and VoiD's comeback after a mid-season slump, where he takes a set off Mr. R.

3. Civil War

3 BEST SETS: Kirihara v. Fatality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbjoC76Rdd0

ZeRo v. Luhtie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP7B3biB1B4&t=940s

ESAM v. Ally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sORBXy1B6j0

This is a decision I expect to get a lot of shit for, and that's okay. Civil War was an amazing tournament, one so significant feeling that everything after feels fundamentally new. Smash 4 has had two eras: before Civil War, and after. Has any Esports tournament ever been so savagely egalitarian? Low and mid-tier mains make it to top 16, and even top 3. The two players the tournament is dedicated to get 49th and 25th. MKLeo gets 65th. Japan gets eleven players in seventeenth or above, and three players in top 8. The old guard of Smash 4 died on this day, and would not have a major comeback as a whole until Nairo Saga. In short: what an amazing tournament. Here's the problem: there are so many upsets, affecting literally every top 20 player but Dabuz, that the resulting bracket feels random and almost heartless. Top 16 includes sets like T vs. Fatality (twice, which is kinda baller), Kirihara vs. HIKARU, 9B vs. Mr. R, and Marss vs. Falln. These were all amazing sets! But they lack the narrative, the drama, and baggage of a classic Smash 4 tournament, where members of top 8 have developed fierce rivalries and in-depth strategies for one another. Maybe I'm just bitter because all my favorite players lost before top 8. But I truly love this tournament, and the only reason it's not at number one is because it was the breakout moment for so many top players who, at the time, we had simply never seen before.

2. 2GG Championship

3 BEST SETS: Elegant v. Ally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv-N3d0tIwk&t=659s

MKLeo v. ZeRo (GFs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwQDtxgWiEc

MKLeo v. Salem (Wfs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhusCzWCs0A&index=57&list=PLsoSl1w33CKR0TbU4fiLZdMvn8GUeMvKh

This tournament has the inarguable benefit of quantity. There are just so many good sets due to the round robin (and playoffs!) format; as such, several matchups that ended prematurely (ZeRo v. Leo, Leo v. Salem, Elegant v. Salem) are treated to thrilling rematches. Along the way we watch a Roy beat the 2nd best Bayonetta, Ally defeat Nairo for the first time since 2014, and a player propose on stage before upsetting the winner of the most recent super major. Shit is nuts. People crack under pressure. Tweek falls to nerves and sandbags himself, and Wadi, out of the tournament; Nairo gets too angry about Witch Time and promptly scores his lowest placing of the season; ZeRo gets 2-stocked by MKLeo in half a minute. But amid the wreckage, there is some of the highest-quality play Smash 4 has ever seen. These players knew who they'd face in Round Robin, and they practiced hard for these matchups; as such, you have thrillingly high-octane play across the spectrum, even in places where you don't necessarily expect it. Grand Finals might be the tightest and fastest Smash 4 set ever - like, ever. #JusticeForWadi #PiksOutForShuton

1. MKLeo Saga

3 BEST SETS: Tweek v. MKLeo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7xBpm3i2i4

ZeRo v. Mr. R: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=425O6QjcYTA

MKLeo v. KEN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_-1R2Wi4E&t=8s

Here's why this is the best 2GGC tournament of 2017.

  • Rich story arcs of 2017 are concluded here. KEN gets revenge on Leo for Umebura Japan Major. Mr. R finally takes a set off ZeRo with Sheik. Tweek finally wins a Smash 4 super major, marking the first time a non-Brawl veteran has done so.

  • It's the most upset-heavy tournament since Civil War, but without so many that the matchups feel random or arbitrary.

  • It's got that distinctly PGR v4 INTENSE gameplay that we've come to know and love. Ladder combos are more efficiently used than ever (Tweek v. Leo, Nairo v. Mr. R). Melee-style dashdancing is used successfully at a super major (Mr. R v. ZeRo).

Ultimately, the top three tournaments on this list were all incredible experiences for the viewer. Putting any of them at number one makes sense, but this one felt less handicapped by the legitimate flaws of the other tournaments. Civil War has so many upsets that its bracket doesn't carry the emotional, climactic weight that this tournament does. Meanwhile, the 2GG Championship has a flawed round robin format that, while having its advantages, ultimately felt confusing and frustrating (pour one out for Wadi and Shuton); it's also a tournament so high-pressure that several players underperform. But MKLeo saga has everything: the tense storylines, the upsets, the long-desired victories, the tragic so-close finish of its titular player. I never get tired of watching it.

EDITS: Corrected that T's return to the US was at West Side Saga, not ARMS Saga;

Corrected that Wadi got engaged at the championship, not married.

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Colgate University Smash Club Fall 2017 Melee Power Rankings

Posted: 30 Dec 2017 11:08 AM PST

Registration for EVO Japan ends at 10am EST! Current numbers

Posted: 30 Dec 2017 06:09 PM PST

SFV: 2073

GGXRD2: 1113

Tekken 7: 1110

Smash 4: 716

BBCF: 560

KOFXIV: 515

ARMS: 314

https://smash.gg/tournament/evojapan2018

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Posted: 30 Dec 2017 09:29 PM PST

Bracket

1) Light

2) Shoyo James

3) 6WX

4) JaKaL

5) LingLing

5) Mr.E

7) Angel Cortes

7) John Numbers

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