Super Smash Bros - Official r/smashbros Monthly Voted Tier List (July 2017): Voting!


Official r/smashbros Monthly Voted Tier List (July 2017): Voting!

Posted: 23 Jul 2017 05:54 PM PDT

Welcome back to our monthly tier list, post-EVO edition! Although, this time around, things may be a bit more about the pre- and post-EVO tournaments that happened this month. While tournaments around the time of EVO usually are pretty stacked, I don't think we've ever seen a major-level tournament happen right before EVO, and a supermajor happen right after! Crazy times, which may lead to some unusual changes this time around...


MIIS WITH CUSTOMS ARE LISTED AS XXXX, MIIS WITHOUT CUSTOMS ARE LISTED AS 1111

ALL MIIS ARE AVERAGE SIZE AND DO NOT HAVE CUSTOM EQUIPMENT

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO VOTE FOR EVERY CHARACTER


NOTABLE TOURNAMENT PLACING UPDATE

So, a few months ago, I got a request to put character results on the poll (next to each character's name), so people who use the results listed in the thread don't have to switch tabs every time they check what a certain character has done that month. However, I didn't want to implement this idea, because not all characters have "notable placings" in a month.

I did still think this was a great idea, so to make it happen, I've changed my method of finding "notable tournament placings." Instead of just briefly looking through results and putting what I think is notable on the thread, I now score each character's strong tournament showings, and the placing with the highest score is used. This is done for EVERY CHARACTER, so you can not only see which characters had a good month, but you can tell who had a less fruitful month as well.

For more specific details on this system, click here!


Tournaments Used:


Bayonetta: 1st at EVO 2017

Bowser: 17th at Umebura 27

Bowser Jr.: 25th at Albion II

Captain Falcon: 17th at Dreamhack Atlanta 2017

Charizard: 49th at Umebura 27 (Not on poll, I missed it while making it. Sorry!)

Cloud: 4th at EVO 2017

Corrin: 7th at Midwest Mayhem 9: Old vs. New

Dark Pit: N/A

Diddy Kong: 2nd at EVO 2017

Donkey Kong: 33rd at EVO 2017

Dr. Mario: N/A

Duck Hunt: 17th at EVO 2017

Falco: 17th at Midwest Mayhem 9: Old vs. New

Fox: 3rd at EVO 2017

Ganondorf: 13th at Albion II

Greninja: 13th at Umebura 27

Ike: 9th at UNLOCKED

Jigglypuff: 17th at GUMS 16

King Dedede: 49th at Umebura 27

Kirby: N/A

Link: 17th at Umebura 27

Little Mac: 17th at 2GGC: ARMS Saga

Lucario: 7th at 2GGC: ARMS Saga

Lucas: 25th at Dreamhack Atlanta 2017

Lucina: 13th at Midwest Mayhem 9: Old vs. New

Luigi: 17th at EVO 2017

Mario: 13th at Dreamhack Atlanta 2017

Marth: 13th at Dreamhack Atlanta 2017

Mega Man: 9th at 2GGC: ARMS Saga

Meta Knight: 25th at Umebura 27

Mewtwo: 13th at EVO 2017

Mr. Game & Watch: N/A

Ness: 13th at EVO 2017

Olimar: 49th at Dreamhack Atlanta 2017

Pac-Man: 17th at Dreamhack Atlanta 2017

Palutena: 33rd at EVO 2017

Peach: 9th at Dreamhack Atlanta 2017

Pikachu: 9th at Dreamhack Atlanta 2017

Pit: 5th at Umebura 27

R.O.B.: 13th at Albion II

Robin: 13th at Midwest Mayhem 9: Old vs. New

Rosalina & Luma: 1st at 2GGC: ARMS Saga

Roy: 25th at Dreamhack Atlanta 2017

Ryu: 5th at Umebura 27

Samus: 9th at Albion II

Sheik: 2nd at Dreamhack Atlanta 2017

Shulk: 7th at Albion II

Sonic: 5th at EVO 2017

Toon Link: 49th at EVO 2017

Villager: 17th at EVO 2017

Wario: 1st at Albion II

Wii Fit Trainer: 25th at GUMS 16

Yoshi: 13th at Midwest Mayhem 9: Old vs. New

Zelda: 17th at Umebura 27

Zero Suit Samus: 4th at Dreamhack Atlanta 2017


HOW TO VOTE

There are a total of 5 general tiers; S Tier, A Tier (divided into A+, A, and A- tier), B Tier (divided into B+, B, and B- tier), C Tier (divided into C+, C, and C- tier), and D Tier. Based on the description of each tier in the poll, you will vote where you think each character belongs, with S Tiers being the best and D Tiers being the worst. Using my magical, mythical, and totally ballin' powers (aka basic math), I will transmogrify all of the polls together to come up with the month's tier list!


Click here to fill out the poll!


In the comments below, you can look for a certain character's name.

DO NOT USE UPVOTES TO VOTE CHARACTERS UP OR DOWN ON THE LIST!

These act as discussion prompts, allowing people to talk about said characters. They can be used to talk about how good characters are in the meta, how these characters are played, how to play against these characters, and really anything else, as long as it's about the character listed and how they play in Smash 4. Try to keep conversation constructive! No opinions are wrong!

There will also be a section to post your personal tier list, if you'd like to get that one Reddit user pissed off by placing his main a tier lower than he thinks he is /s share your own views on the meta!

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Daily Discussion Thread 07/27/17

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 12:09 AM PDT

Welcome to the Daily Discussion Thread series on /r/smashbros! Inspired by /r/SSBM and /r/hiphopheads's DDTs, you can post here:

  • General questions about Smash

  • General discussion (tentatively allowing for some off-topic discussion)

  • "Light" content that might not have been allowed as its own post (please keep it about Smash)

Other guidelines:

  • Be good to one another.

  • While DDT can be lax, please abide by our general rules. No linking to illegal/pirated stuff, no flaming, game debates, etc.

  • Please keep your meme spam contained to the sticky comment provided below.

If you have any suggestions about future DDTs or anything else subreddit related, please send them our way! Thanks in advance!

Also, if you want to chat with other /r/smashbros users you can do so via our Discord channel.

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Why the best Melee player in Japan is struggling to stay afloat

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 11:59 AM PDT

PG | Wobbles Interview at EVO 2017 on Ledge Grab Limit and other topics: "There's so much other nonsense in this game... Don't just ban stuff because it's boring at first."

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 01:37 PM PDT

Without PPMD, who's got the best dash dance game in Melee?

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 09:06 AM PDT

Tried ranked mode for the first time... They weren't ready...

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 03:12 PM PDT

S A M U s

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 10:08 AM PDT

https://gfycat.com/BewitchedEarlyAfricangroundhornbill

X-posted from /r/SSBPM. OP: /u/RHYTHM_GMZ

It WAS supposed to be all caps, but... and then it got deleted. :/

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With Leffen's GOML Title Defense coming this weekend, I threw together this chart of Series Title Holders.

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 01:30 PM PDT

Fuse Season 2 Announced for Melee and Wii U Doubles

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 07:51 PM PDT

https://smash.gg/fuse

They are going with a slightly different structure this time around. Last season they had a 3 tiered system of Premier/Major/Tour (tour events themselves also had 3 tiers of Gold/Silver/Bronze) where Premier/Major events were chosen by Fuse staff and had fixed value regardless of attendance and Tour events were opt-in by TO's and had their value tied to the number of entrants.

This season there are 5 tiers: Major, Platinum, Gold, Silver, and Bronze. The only major is The Big House 7 which has fixed value regardless of how many teams attend (winning team gets 1000 points). The other 4 are the same as tour events last season: opt-in and their value is determined by how many teams enter.

Event Tier Points for first place Attendance
Platinum 500 128+
Gold 350 64+
Silver 200 32+
Bronze 100 16+

Also, here is the current event list with their current tier: https://twitter.com/Genesis_Smash/status/890723980398665729

The season starts August 1st with the finale sometime in December.

Lastly, seeding will be handled differently this time (and is actually stated ahead of time). From the smash.gg link: "The seeding of finals shall follow tennis-style randomization within tiers. 1st and 2nd will be placed on opposite sides of the bracket. 3rd/4th will be randomly assigned to be on 1/2 side in winner's semifinals. 5-8 will be randomly assigned to 1-4, etc."

*edit: a word

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GOML 2017 | Canadian National Begins July 28th | Feat. Isai, Mariguas, Revan, Kort, Hungrybox, Mang0, Leffen, SFAT, Lynx, DKbill, San, Kalvar, Zinoto, Larry Lurr, ANTi, Fatality and many more!

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 08:12 AM PDT

GOML 2017 // July 28th - 30th // Ontario, Canada

Join Canadian Smash history once again for the North's most hype national tournament July 28th-30th featuring: Leffen, Isai, Hungrybox, Westballz, Shroomed, The Moon, ANTi, Mr.R, Fatality, Mr.E, Larry Lurr, The Z, Kort & many more!

 

Disclaimer: For the title I only used the information of Attendees on Smash.gg if they are any mistakes I apologize in advance.

 

Shout-outs to Declo


Brackets

 

 

 


Streaming Information

  • Stream Schedule: Link

 

 


Event Schedule

 

All Times Eastern (EDT)

Friday, July 28th

  • 06:00PM | Melee & Wii U Regional Crew Battle

 

Saturday, July 29th

  • 10:00AM | All Smash Pools

  • 01:00PM | Smash Brawl Top 12

  • 06:00PM | Melee Doubles & Wii U Doubles Top 16

  • 06:00PM | Smash 64 Top 32 to Top 8

 

Sunday, July 30th

  • 10:00AM | Wii U Singles Pools

  • 10:00AM | Smash 64 Top 8

  • 01:00PM | Melee Singles

  • 01:00PM | Wii U Top 32

  • 01:00PM | Smash 64 Doubles

  • 03:00PM | Melee Top 32

  • 04:00PM | Wii U Top 8

  • 07:00PM | Melee Top 8


Other Information

Smash.gg | Twitter | Rewards Shop

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Shulk Gets Shulked

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 03:25 PM PDT

https://gfycat.com/JitteryEvenHyrax

Featuring DMG|GetShulked

I'm the one getting bodied ;-;

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Rotoscoped Flipbook Demo - By FAKE

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 06:53 PM PDT

Melee Combo Video | Mew2King: Sheik [2017]

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 04:33 PM PDT

Mewtwo on FD - Types of Punishes on Fastfallers

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 07:19 AM PDT

Salem, Tweek, And Dabuz Officially Register For GameTyrant Expo

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 06:20 AM PDT

SSC Has released entrant list

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 09:27 AM PDT

They have tweeted their entrant list as of now. You can see it at https://twitter.com/SuperSmashCon/status/890574171314565120

https://smash.gg/tournament/super-smash-con-2017/attendees shows who is going. Pretty stacked tourneys for all games.

Edited for formatting.

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Character Matchup Data from 60,000+ game dataset - Now on One Page for Each Character

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 06:53 AM PDT

Last week we made an update that makes it easy to see the win percentages for each matchup in our VoD database. We currently have over 21,000 sets on our site which results in 62,000+ games of data. Each character now has a Matchups page which you can find a link to on the individual character page.

When on a character page, simply click the "View All Matchups" link to see how that character performs against every other character. Here is Mewtwo's matchup page.

On the very top and very bottom of the page, you are likely to see some crazy matchup percentages for matchups that have between 1 and 15 total games. Sample size too low. A few new VoD uploads could change those numbers dramatically.

You want to scroll down a bit to start to find the more interesting data. Look for matchups with 50+ games to get a more reliable feel how matchups trend in general competitve play. For this Mewtwo example, there are actually only a handful of other characters who he has played 50+ times against. You will find much better numbers when comparing two of the most used characters against each other.

When you look at Mario's matchups, you can find data on 400-500 games against other top characters such as Diddy Kong, Cloud and Bayonetta.

When on the matchups page, simply click on another character image to see their head to head games. Using the Mewtwo page example above, if you click on Corrin, you're taken to the Mewtwo vs Corrin page where you can find their VoDs and their matchup stats for each stage.

These new pages should make it very convenient for you to get data on your favorite characters and their matchups. As a reminder, this is just data collected off VoDs and you have to remember that player skill is more important than character or stage advantages. Use this data for fun and to help form your insights on general competitive play.

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Mr. R Talks About 2017 Expectations and Overcoming the ZeRo Hurdle

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 10:29 AM PDT

Best Fox at each MU

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 02:14 PM PDT

Who do you think is the best Fox at each matchup? To make the answers more diverse you could exclude mango leffen and armada.

This is more focused on the high tier MUs but if you know of a Fox that os particularly good against a mid low tier for example Sfat is the best against Dr Mario you can mention it.

I Hope this tread can help people trying to learn a certain MU to know which players to study from.

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Marth triple dair by Stango

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 04:51 PM PDT

Mew2King's Pichu Doesn't Care About Tier Lists | The Greatest M2K Pichu Plays/Combos

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 07:40 AM PDT

Episode 27 of The Set Count ft. TSM ZeRo, PG suar, and MVG Vayseth: Interview with the Best

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 10:09 AM PDT

Hi again!

Our 27th episode is live now!

This is a special one.

Today's episode features the mastermind himself, ZeRo!

After the sets, the trophies, the sponsors, there's a person and today we find out more about the legend himself.

Talking about the meta, who's who, and even some personal issues, we talk it all.

Join suar and Vayseth as ZeRo teaches us all about Gonzalo.

iTunes

Sticher

TuneIn

YouTube

See ya next time,

suar

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Wanna understand why Salem is doing so well? Dabuz is analyzing Salem sets right now!

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 12:48 PM PDT

Hype Smash Bros. Melee Set Endings Compilation (Again)

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 04:09 PM PDT

"Key To My Heart" | A Sora Combo Video [SSF2 Beta]

Posted: 27 Jul 2017 08:46 AM PDT

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