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Mars Dota 2 League 2017 Day 1 Match Discussion

Posted: 04 Jul 2017 06:21 PM PDT

Mars Dota 2 League 2017

Organized by Mars Media

Sponsored by Wuhan Sports Development

Need info on the event? Check out the Survival Guide.

You can either Sort by new or use the Comment Stream.

Coverage:

Liquipedia | GosuGamers | LiquidDota | TheScoreEsports

Streams

English 1 | English 2
Chinese 1 | Chinese 2

Day 1: July 5 (Group Stage)

ID Team 1 vs. Team 2 Results Cntdwn PDT EDT BST CEST SGT AEST
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G1 Clutch vs. 10:00 19:00 22:00 3:00 4:00 10:00 12:00
G2 vs. 10:00 19:00 22:00 3:00 4:00 10:00 12:00
- - - - - - - - - - - -
G3 vs. 11:15 20:15 23:15 4:15 5:15 11:15 13:15
G4 vs. 11:15 20:15 23:15 4:15 5:15 11:15 13:15
- - - - - - - - - - - -
G5 Clutch vs. 12:30 21:30 0:30 5:30 6:30 12:30 14:30
G6 vs. 12:30 21:30 0:30 5:30 6:30 12:30 14:30
- - - - - - - - - - - -
G7 vs. 13:45 22:45 1:45 6:45 7:45 13:45 15:45
G8 vs. 13:45 22:45 1:45 6:45 7:45 13:45 15:45
- - - - - - - - - - - -
G9 Clutch vs. 15:00 0:00 3:00 8:00 9:00 15:00 17:00
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G10 vs. 16:15 1:15 4:15 9:15 10:15 16:15 18:15
G11 vs. 17:30 2:30 5:30 10:30 11:30 17:30 19:30
G12 vs. 18:45 3:45 6:45 11:45 12:45 18:45 20:45
G13 Clutch vs. 20:00 5:00 8:00 13:00 14:00 20:00 22:00
G14 vs. 21:15 6:15 9:15 14:15 15:15 21:15 23:15
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Help Bring Back the Noob Stream for TI7

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 06:06 AM PDT

Video with more detailed points: https://youtu.be/IuG0a5WZeek

The Noob Stream for TI7 is something that will take very little resources to create, but can make a big difference in the long run. The last thing we want is stunted growth in a game we all hold dear to our hearts. Personally, I feel the benefits far outweigh any negatives, but that is for you all to judge. My hope with this video/post is that it will help create more of a movement to get the Noob stream back to TI, because currently I don't believe it's going to happen.

A lot of people have come to me in the past few years and told me the Noob stream is what got them into Dota, which is amazing to hear. I know that Purge has said he's not too interested in doing this stream, which makes sense with his super successful Weather-Man segment, but there are still plenty of other people passionate about bringing new players into the game such as myself.

What is the Noob Stream?

Started at TI4 - Valve wanted to cater towards new players Stream was well received. Casters were Pyrion, Shane & Blitz, as well as Purge & myself

Why should you care about this?

  • Dota notoriously has the biggest barrier to entry for any esport
  • The health of the game relies on two entities - 1) Competitive & 2) Casual
    • The competitive scene is the primary focus (new changes to majors/minors). This keeps the game relevant
    • The casual scene is often times taken for granted, but is needed for continued growth
  • Also a lot of older players stopped playing after 7.00 (too overwhelmed with changes)
  • The International is the tournament that EVERYONE will watch, so catering to newer players is a good thing

Why bring it back?

  • Cost effective & not many resources needed
  • Gives work to dedicated personalities that do not get invited to the main stream
  • Brings brand new players in
  • Brings back old players that lost interest because of major changes (SHRINES LUL)
  • Formula for success already exists, with minor tweaks

What worked in the past?

  • 1 constant stream
  • Duos or Trios that work well together (can't be random people).
  • Balance in educational & light heartedness (don't want to be too dry)
  • Advertising the Noob stream on the main stream & promoting it on dota2.com & other media

What didn't work?

  • Intermittent Stream
  • Felt stale at times (very repetitive)

Pros & Cons

Aside from things already stated: Pros: Very low maintenence & cost. Requires a room in the arena with computers/internet

Cons: Low viewer count in past & costs money to pay people Note: I feel as if the low viewer count is more of a perceived con as opposed to a legitimate one. This stream isn't made to get a ton of viewers, but even with a 3-5k concurrent viewership, you are bound to reach over 100,000 uniques throughout the entirety of TI. This cannot be underestimated.

My Vision

The most basic setup would require 1 stream, with 2 sets of rotating casters (6 total people) on a couch with 1 webcam.

2 people cast the game, while the third is the sideline reporter (gets live questions from chat, puts relevant information on screen such as common lingo) Example: http://i.imgur.com/mGciFni.jpg

Have LIVE lineups appear below stream that people can check out at any time in order to learn more about those specific heroes Example: http://i.imgur.com/L1Wbmxb.jpg

Have videos premade that we can show during the game to go over hero skills Example: http://i.imgur.com/P3OvCt5.jpg

Have videos premade that explain basic concepts such as laning as well as the entire point of the game. These videos will be available below the stream at all times and can be referenced during the game. This avoids repetitive talking points. Example: http://i.imgur.com/rWyz2ic.jpg

Thanks for watching/reading. This obviously does not cater to a lot of you, but it certainly does for a very important group that can help our game find continued growth. Ease of access is everything & remember that TI is a time where everyone will be tuning in. I'd love to hear more suggestions from you all on how to make this experience less overwhelming for new players, because that should be the goal.

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I have a huge crush on Ogre Magi so here's this... Drew it last night

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 03:13 AM PDT

An essay on the Cheese in Dota 2 and its probable real-world models.

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 07:07 AM PDT

According to the Dota 2 Wiki, the Cheese dropped by Roshan was 'made from the milk of a long lost Furbolg vendor'. This would indicate that the cheese was produced in bear territory, as the Furbolg were a race of bear-men. If we are to follow this further into the realm of Dota 2 and not Warcraft, the lore of both Lone Druid and Ursa give no clues as to their geographical origins, save for Ursa's 'wild wooded homeland'. The Hellbear camp was originally known as the 'Polar Furbolg Ursa Warrior', which could also hint to a race of arctic bears, but this is unlikely to be relevant as most cheeses are fermented at warm temperatures and the bacteria cultures required do not survive well in the cold. According to CultureCheeseMag.com Northern societies generally favour savoury cheeses with thicker rinds, primarily for use in hot dishes such as Gratin, Fondue or Raclette. Therefore, the icon for the Dota 2 Cheese is undoubtedly far from examples such as the autumnal Rogue River Blue or the Rush Creek Reserve produced in Wisconsin.

As a result, we are led to believe that the Dota 2 Cheese was manufactured in wooded bear country. One might think at first that the cheese was modelled on Edam, as the colourful rind is similar and the cheese itself is traditionally moulded to fit a roughly cylindrical shape, with slight rounding, which bears similarity to the curve of the outward face of the cheese. Moreover, Edam does not spoil, according to 'A History of Edam' from edam.com, and instead hardens. This would again support the lore presented by Dota 2, as it is understood that Roshan has held the cheese since his decision to kill a shopkeeper to claim the Aegis of Immortals. The holes in the icon also appear to have held up over time. However, the Edam theory can be disproven by the disappearance of bears from the Netherlands, where the cheese is produced, due to hunting and habitat destruction, such that the latest records indicate that they existed outside of captivity no later than the 11th century. A similar conclusion can be applied to Gouda, also a product of the Netherlands.

Alternatively, Emmental is a Swiss Cheese, a country that would certainly fit the description 'wooded'. It is similarly hard and holy, and could also be applied to the Northern Furbolgs, due to its use in molten cheese dishes as mentioned above. However, it is an unpasteurised cheese, which impacts its longevity, and means that it must be eaten after a mandatory ageing period of at least 60 days (where US federal agencies are concerned) but before it spoils, which makes it largely unsuitable as a model for Dota 2's cheese. In addition, it is widely agreed that it's taste is at most 'mild', whereas the Dota 2 Wiki suggests that the cheese 'restores the vitality of those who taste it'; Emmental is clearly no smelling salt of the cheese world. One might also think of Swiss Cheese if Emmental is unsuitable, or more specific examples like Jarlsberg. The texture is evocative of the Dota 2 icon, and the taste 'sweet and nutty'. Nonetheless, in Dota 2 the rind is clearly a reddish-brown colour, that resembles the paraffin-wax coating of Edam and not the traditional yellow wax of Jarlsberg.

Another possibility for the cheese's real-life counterpart is Tilsit, a semi-hardened 19th century cheese from modern day Northern Russia. As a versatile cheese with many different applications, variations can be used to support the image presented by the icon; pasteurised and non-pasteurised variants account for the colour of the rind, and what is more, it is the most strongly flavoured of the cheeses discussed thus far. In Dota 2 a green odour can be seen emanating from the cheese, and in reality Tilsit is often made with caraway seeds and peppercorns, using 'smear-ripening' (by which the cheese is scraped against another cheese during fermentation to aid the development of bacteria) to give it a pungent scent and striking taste. Finally, bears in Russia are known and iconic, primarily the brown bear and the Kamchatka subspecies (although not native to the Westphal valley of Tilsit origin). Therefore, in terms of cheese properties, it is perhaps the most accurate, although aspects of all the cheeses mentioned so far are common to the Dota 2 cheese.

A final point of consideration is the cost of the cheese; in Dota 2 it can be sold to the shopkeeper for 500 gold, but this begs the question of the real value of the Dota 2 currency. First and foremost, the sum paid to the shopkeeper does not represent its true value, as other items can be returned at half of their sale price. As a result, we receive the figure 1,000 gold. However, the market operates as an oligopoly, with two shops accessible from friendly territory and two more from across the river Fag. Thus the four-firm concentration ratio is equal to 100% and the market share of any one shopkeep 20%. Due to their stationary posts, there is no evidence for collusion, and thus in the short run the industry acts as a monopoly, with the theoretical sale of cheese where marginal cost = marginal revenue and making supernormal profit PmXACY by charging above the cost of production. According to Michael Salinger of Columbia University, concentration ratio and profit margins can be linked through these formulae, however there are simply too many unknown variables for the establishment of a Cournot model, and a strange situation develops where the elasticity of demand is tied to production due to consumers also being the producers of the cheese (in taking it from Roshan). As such this line of reasoning is inconclusive.

However, the penultimate name of the cheese as listed by the Dota 2 Wiki was 'Hunk of Cheese', which gives us some sort of scale to consider. If basic items such as a Tome of Knowledge (book, 150 gold), Courier (trained donkey, 100 gold) and Boots of Speed (boots, 400 gold) cost fixed amounts, they can be related to the dollar, although these examples show the Dota 2 universe operates with a different perception of value, perhaps due to the existence of magic. Using amazon.com as a model (online retailers tend to have lower market power due to greater consumer information and contestability, thus prices are closer to marginal cost of production), a simple search for 'men's boots' (as the style used in-game most closely resembles hunting and not fashionable boots) yields these results, indicating that most boots are within the $100-$200 range, which I will round to roughly $150. Similar experiments for non-fiction and trained donkeys give a conversion rate of between 1:2 and 1:3.

Therefore, a cheese wedge (or 'hunk') that appears approximately 1/6th of a round is holds value of roughly $800 in Dota 2, and around $2,000 in the US. A 4kg wheel of Tilsiter costs £79.99 from thecheeseandwineshop.com or $103.24; disregarding second degree price discrimination a 40kg wheel would thus cost only $1,032.4 or half of our desired value. A 40kg wheel of Parmigiano Reggiano from the same site costs a very close $1,032.71. Therefore, cost analysis is also inconclusive, and the elusive $2,000, medium-soft cheese of Dota 2 is currently unknown when taking into account the many factors that determine price.

Overall, the cheese that most closely resembles the cheese dropped by Roshan in Dota 2 is likely to be Tilsiter, the Prussian variety that accommodates for the item's subtle nuances in appearance and, perhaps less subtly, in flavour. Whilst both Edam and Emmental offer similarities, they are both too rigid in their description and cannot be said to be the model of the fermented product displayed in-game. Although a fiscal approach is flawed, for the most part I am confident that the process of evaluation taken in this essay has led to a correct conclusion regarding its identity.

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AMA EternaLEnVy

Posted: 04 Jul 2017 07:04 PM PDT

Accepting the request from an earlier thread

"Maybe it's too much to ask an AMA from Jacky right now, but I was reading through the NoTidehunter AMA from a few years back. I feel like he's matured a lot, and would love to hear how life is going. I would like to start with 3 questions: Question 1 - How is the boot camp going? Question 2 - Struggles during the TI Qualifiers? Question 3 - Waffles or Pancakes? Lets support some 3/5th NA Dota!"

  1. Haven't started bootcamp yet we just stopped our bootcamp a few days ago after qualifiers. Funny thing is that we lost 90% of scrims during the bootcamp losing something like 15 games in a row right b4 our matches to every team. Felt significantly stronger than b4 after losing these scrims though.

  2. answered it in 1

  3. waffles

EDIT: Going to Sleep Might be Done !

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Let us see how many minutes our friends are into a game

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 05:58 AM PDT

Helps when deciding to wait or just play alone

Edit: I know we can see their level, or just ask them but sometimes(frequently in my case) my friends are a bit too focused and take a while to respond or not at all. I'm not saying seeing the timer will give us a whole lot of info but it would be better no? And spectating a game takes quite some time to load for someone with an outdated pc and slow internet like me

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How to play Dota 101

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 01:43 AM PDT

Hello again NYC dudes and gals! THIS Saturday (July 8) I'm hosting a Dota 2 LAN event in a skyscraper next to One World Trade Center for our community! Whole Foods catering, coffee, and Red Bull included! We're bringing the Dota 2 scene together for some fun and competition! :)

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 06:33 AM PDT

Hi /r/DotA2!

Thank you for reading - here's the highlights!

  • Hype event: We've been doing this since 2014 and want to make it a monthly occurrence for the NYC CSGO community! We filmed an epic hype video to show what it's like.

  • Meet the scene Immerse yourself in the NYC gaming community at our LANs: the friendliest and most inclusive gaming community

  • Premium venue & catering: Hosted at Verizon HQ with Whole Foods & Red Bull catering included. Just check out our Virtual Tour of the space and photo album from the last LAN.

  • We match you with teammates You can come solo (75%+ of attendees do) or bring up to 2 friends onto a pre-made team. We will fill your team with other attendees such that all teams are as balanced as possible. We make it easy to bring the community together for some good times!

  • Seven hours of gaming to meet DotA 2 players! The LAN event is seven hours from 10:30am start until 5:30pm!

  • As is tradition, I will do my best to reply to any & every comment. So AMA! Also feel free to to ask me any questions in our Facebook messenger chat room / fambase.

How the LAN works

The LAN starts at 10:30AM on Saturday - it's a Bring Your Own Computer (BYOC) event - hosted at Verizon's HQ. Come with a squad of two or three - or come solo! We will be filling your team with other attendees to create balanced teams.

We're structuring it as a round robin tournament, but it is really about hanging out and meeting the Community!

You can sign up here.

FAQ

  • Are the Red Bulls to drink or just for the commercials? Yes.

  • What do I need to bring? Our event is BYOC, so we need you to bring your computer, monitor, keyboard, mouse, headset or any other peripherals. We recommend you use a rolling suitcase. In the future, we would like to have spare PCs / monitors for use. We do not have any available for rent or use.

  • Is there a minimum age? No. All are welcome.

Want to set up your own events near you? Reach out to my email, below. I'll give you all the tips to set up an event - maybe we can even co-promote it next time to involve even more of this awesome community!

Entry

Entry $30** online. Buy your ticket online - we have room for 16 teams. (You can sign up here.)

Location

Social Media Links

Volunteering

We're likely set on volunteers for this coming event, but we would like to set up weekly scrims / in-houses for the NYC scene. Please let me know if you want to help out with organizing our scrims or at a future event by reaching out to me at chris@fambase.com or message me in our Facebook Messenger chat room

Sponsors & About the Ticket Price

** We don't want to be charging $30 per person and are working out a way to reduce the cost or gain sponsorship. Hopefully, we can get Verizon to lessen / reduce the venue fees or have other sponsors help fund these awesome events. The rent by itself is over $1,200, FYI.

For this event we are partnering with the following amazing NYC-based start-ups:

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What is Dota 2?

Posted: 04 Jul 2017 10:34 PM PDT

Top contestants of arcana vote.

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 07:28 AM PDT

Friends list has been bugged for over a month.

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 12:16 AM PDT

After parties disband it will still say people are still in the parties, it will say people are in games when they are not, I also have 1 guy on my friends list who it just says in queuing all the time even when hes in games and stuff, me and a lot of my friends have been having this since around the release of siltbreaker so I assume others are, would be nice to get this fixed or something.

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Valve, please don't forget to update older heroes' models!

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 05:34 AM PDT

You did a great job on upgrading the most "critical" cases, but there are still several older heroes with very outdated textures that don't really match the quality of the newer models, and they could use some love too.

Heroes like Axe, Pugna, Ursa (that fur, oh man), Brood, Mirana, AA etc have some PS3 textures and could really use a few touch ups (not necessarily a full blown remodel like the newest cases).

And please make a new ability icon for Ghost Ship and Netherblast lol.

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We should be told if people are grouped up before the game starts

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 02:25 AM PDT

Honestly it shits me to no end how often I play a game with toxic teammates and they all seem to gang up on me and then lo and behold it turns out they are a 4 stack once the game is over.

So I end up having to spend 30 minutes to an hour in a losing team and being blamed for everything by all 4 people.

It's even worse that 4 people can queue together and not even pick a proper team comp or have any semblance of teamwork.

Either let me know before the game starts so I can prepare myself and hold low expectations of the game or give me the option to play in a completely PUB match with no grouped up people.

/Rant

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TNC are going to create a female Dota2 roster?

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 01:41 AM PDT

EG Twitter memeing themselves

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 02:45 AM PDT

Envy Blog is out: A Look at the Past and Future

Posted: 04 Jul 2017 01:58 PM PDT

Valve, why does Spiritbreaker's Charge always go on cooldown when he dies?

Posted: 04 Jul 2017 02:01 PM PDT

Ana making plays.

Posted: 04 Jul 2017 11:57 PM PDT

1.9k solo 5.6k party? a bit of a gap isn't it?

Posted: 04 Jul 2017 10:58 PM PDT

SumaiL just picked up a blink dagger on Storm spirit

Posted: 04 Jul 2017 07:52 PM PDT

Rip pubs

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Can we get Techies back into Captain's mode?

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 01:54 AM PDT

I think, they are ready for CM

Anyway i doubt somebody will pick them, but still it would be nice having every hero in CM for TI 7

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My game was stuttering like crazy, I open the console and saw these

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 01:28 AM PDT

36,000 MMR gaming in SEA LP

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 04:07 AM PDT

TIL Flying Courier takes 50% more damage from melee attacks

Posted: 04 Jul 2017 09:49 PM PDT

Source
Yet another reason not to upgrade courier :^)

edit: please stop doing the math my comment about not upgrading courier was a joke

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SirActionSlacks with something new for Dota 2

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 11:49 AM PDT

Free Techies lessons.

Posted: 05 Jul 2017 09:30 AM PDT

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