Heroes of the Storm - Thursday Teaching Thread - Beginners encouraged to ask questions here! | February 09 - February 15


Thursday Teaching Thread - Beginners encouraged to ask questions here! | February 09 - February 15

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 09:00 AM PST

Remember to scroll down to the bottom or sort comments by new to make sure all questions are answered please.

Welcome to the latest Thursday Teaching Thread, where you the community get to ask your questions and share your knowledge.

This is an opportunity for the more experienced HotS players here to share some of your wisdom with those with less expertise. This thread will be a weekly safehaven for those "noobish" questions you may have been too scared to ask for fear of downvotes, but also can be a great place for in depth discussion if you so wish. So, don't hold back, get your game related questions ready and post away, and hopefully someone can answer them!

If you wish to just view top level comments (ie questions) add ?depth=1 to the end of the page url. If you have any additional questions after this thread starts to disappear from the front page, /r/nexusnewbies is happy to help.

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Lucio Spotlight

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 10:00 AM PST

Let's bring the "gg ez" fix from Overwatch to Heroes

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 11:32 AM PST

A few months ago, the Overwatch team added a fun little feature to their game that caused anyone typing "gg ez" in the chat to instead write one of several hilarious responses.

Some examples:

"Well played. I salute you all."

"For glory and honor! Huzzah comrades!"

"I'm wrestling with some insecurity issues in my life but thank you all for playing with me."

"It's past my bedtime. Please don't tell my mommy."

"Gee whiz! That was fun. Good playing!"

"I feel very, very small... please hold me..."

This is easily one of the funniest things about that game, and it cuts down on some toxicity at the same time. I figure, why not do it here?

I'd suggest substituting the ever popular and trollish phrases "bg" "no" or "nope" at the end of a match (in response to the generally accepted "gg") with the above phrases. There's no need for such a lack of sportsmanship, and it makes people nervous to write gg at the end of a match they lose. ... which is ridiculous. If you can't write gg after losing a match, you aren't a good sport. It's that simple.

This was a good fix for Overwatch, and it'd be a good fix here. Let's bring it in!

EDIT: I seriously don't understand the downvotes. How does this "not contribute to any discussion"?

EDIT 2: ... I'll say this again, because many, many people are posting before reading. The phrase "gg ez" is NOT the point of this post. I'm discussing the system used by Overwatch, which I'm calling the "gg ez fix." Nobody says "gg ez" in Heroes ... obviously. Understand first - respond second.

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Appreciate how Heroes of the Storm is so different from other MOBA

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 11:37 AM PST

I felt burned out on Hots recently and wanted to try other MOBA to see if the grass really is greener on the other side. Gave League of Legends a try for like a week, and my thoughts on it is as follows. That game is so not balanced, there is no rhyme or reason to anything, it is just pure chaos of the worst kind.

  • The mental pressure of keeping up with last hits and CS is absurd.

  • The lack of a mount makes you want to kill yourself whenever you have to walk back.

  • All-chat is pure cancer, nothing tilts you faster than bad mannered enemies who think they are God's gift to MOBA

  • Items that give you like 200% ability power and many other absurd things that are not remotely balanced.

  • Everyone gets Bolt of the storm at lvl 1......BALANCED.

  • Games are so long, 50min games are the most tedious thing.

  • I swear the people there are so ANGRY it defies all reason. What the hell happened to make these people so upset??.

And many more struggles that Hots has completely done away with. We all complain about the short comings of Heroes, because we want to see it improved and better than ever. But for real, this game is a gem compared to it's counterparts.

P.S - Also whenever the middle minion in a wave dies, i kept walking forward expecting a regen globe.....FEELSBADMAN

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Everyone is so worried about the stun-meta, and I am sitting over here looking fearfully at the new Murky

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 05:29 AM PST

I mean the little bastard is annoying enough already. I am glad that he (almost) doesn't see play.

But looking at the PTR, god, I swear I will ban him every game I get to and hope that everyone else will do the same, especially in Master+.

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Blizzard please, when is the Hero/Account Progression rework coming?

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 05:57 PM PST

That's my most anticipated feature. It's been 2+ months since it's been announced "to be coming" and we haven't heard anything since.

Not asking for a specific date here but I'd like to know if it's gonna be in 3 months, 6 months or later?

Can't wait, it hurts.

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Heroes Brawl of the Week, February 10, 2017: Temple Arena

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 10:01 AM PST

Why is there eve an option to report player for "abusive chat" on players from the enemy team?

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 05:42 AM PST

i keep finding videos of angry jerks reporting everyone for no reason and though , why can u even report someone from the other team for "abusve chat" if there is no cross-teams chat, besides custom games

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Hint at loot boxes in the Lúcio Spotlight video?

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 04:54 PM PST

http://i.imgur.com/85WdnE9.jpg

Watched the video again and cant remember this as an background object from in the game. We already saw a tab in the games menu a while back labeled "Loot" a while back so this might be another subtle hint.

EDIT: Looks like this is part of the map assets, northing to see here. Found by /u/Spazzo965 http://i.imgur.com/IGArK6n.jpg

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Archon is pretty fair and balanced now. (feat. HORSEPANTS)

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 06:02 PM PST

Just a quick reminder that the Lunar Rooster is a different mount from the 10k Golden Lunar Rooster.

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 06:15 AM PST

I know I didn't realise until someone pointed it out elsewhere, but the one in the shop is not the same as the one you get from the 25 quest. So if you want a full golden rooster, don't forget to buy it!

I know lots of people know this, but if I could make one person realise this then i'd already be happy.

That is all. (:

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[BlizzFB]Maybe clue for the next hero ?

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 02:21 PM PST

Something about Garden Terrors that bothers me

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 07:00 PM PST

There is nothing more anticlimactic and unsatisfying as a Garden Terror than attacking a minion, killing it and all the others around it... and no sound plays.

It's like, the terror is wiping them off the ground with a kleenex. It feels empty! Compare to the Punisher OHKOing minions with that fast moving strike with the satisfying thump. Garden Terror needs some SFX work there, IMHO.

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NEVER bstep Fan

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 02:03 AM PST

I Really want the option for multiple of the same character in a custom game (or at least sandbox)

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 08:31 AM PST

Seriously! Custom games would be even better for parties if this was allowed! Currently you can make all the AI the same hero and when you enter the loading screen to enter the game they are all the same hero but once you have entered the game they are all different. Its lame!

Please let this be an option! I want to have crazy heroes parties!

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Murloc Math

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 10:42 AM PST

Hey, Murky main here to bring you some Murloc Math.

First, let's get some basics out of the way. Murky got a health buff! Yay! Going from base 635 to 761, or from 1390 to 1667 at level 20. That's about 20% more. Most notably this allows you to survive a Varian stun charge combo, but not a Valeera combo due to the buffs she gets in the same patch.

What gets interesting is that Murky also gets two health buffs with Egg Shell and Big Tuna Kahuna, each of them doubling his available health pool. At level 20, this means you'll have 3334 for the first doubling, which gives you roughly the health pool of a non-tank (Assassin 3574, Support 3705, Specialist 3507). After the second doubling, you'll have a whopping 6668 HP, 27% above the average tank at 5256, but short of a fully stacked Diablo at 7873, Avatar Muradin at 8076, or Cho'Gall at 8509.

Also interesting to note is that instead of Egg Shell, Rejuvenating Bubble can be chosen at level 13, which increases his health pool by 50% through the healing (and arguably more due to the ability to dodge damage through invulnerability). This gives him an effective hit point total of 2500 or 5001 with Big Tuna Kahuna. In summary:

Hero HP at 20
Abathur 1501
Murky 1667
Erik 1681
Tracer 2462
Murky + Rejuv Bubble 2500
Murky + BTK or Egg Shell 3334
Specialist Average 3507
Assassin Average 3574
Support Average 3705
Murky + Rejuv + BTK 5001
Warrior Average 5256
Diablo 5625
Muradin 5769
Murky + BTK + Egg Shell 6668
Diablo 100 Stacks 7873
Muradin Avatar 8076
ChoGall 8509

One area where Murky received a (nearly) strict nerf that isn't immediately apparent is with Living the Dream. As you can see from the chart below:

https://imgur.com/KkqJ86h

New Living The Dream does less damage than old Living The Dream in nearly all situations, except for a few brief moments between 40 and 45 seconds after his last respawn.

Next, let's examine the infamous Octo-Puffer combo. A Murky doing 3 Autoattacks, 2 Slimes, and Octograb with the talents Living The Dream, Slime Advantage, Wrath of Cod, Slimy Pufferfish, and And a Shark Too! Will do 5211 damage, enough to delete nearly any hero in the game. Substituting Rewind actually gives us a similar amount of damage with 5277, though it is considerably more if we count early deaths negating a lot of AaST! damage.

New Murky is in a much worse place. The combination of talents that yields the most damage is Tufferfish and Fish Oil, but caps out at 3750 damage with And a Shark Too. Even if we substitute Fish Oil for the new Wrath of Cod hitting a Cho'Gall, we still cap out at a measly 4600 damage. So, perhaps for the best, the old one-shot Murky dream is dead.

However, not all hope is lost! Let's examine Murky's new AA+Slime damage. Old Murky does 450 DPS with Autoattacks with Slime Advantage and using Slime on cooldown. Bump that up to 470 with a fully stacked Living the Dream.

With new Murky, if we spec into full AA and Slime talents Slime Time (4), Time to Krill (7), and Toxic Buildup (16) we do a rockin' 630 DPS! However, that's with the Big Tuna Kahuna talent chosen. If we feel ballsy and want to grab Making Inky, that bumps the DPS to an astronomical 780!

So there you have it, fascinating stuff Murloc Math.

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Anyone else miss movespeed Dehaka?

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 07:52 AM PST

I like the feel of the new Dehaka's kit a lot, especially the talent that lets him move while burrowed. But tying his move speed to bushes doesn't seem very usable, at least in his current state. Anyone using those talents to good effect? I'm not saying he's not powerful here, but I feel like the days of the Stalk-gank are sadly behind him and I hope that changes at some point.

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server probs?

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 01:27 PM PST

I just finished a game, then it was stuck on "Waiting for Game Results' for almost a minute then when it finally showed up, I got my gold but no xp.

Now i'm trying to join a vs AI game so I can finish my daily and it keeps saying "There was a temporary problem with your request. Please try again."

Edit - Restarted the game and now I can't even get to the main menu. It's stuck at 'Authentication Connecting...'

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Chair League Pro Division: Pro Throws v. I Like Your Smile 5-man Death Mosh

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 09:22 PM PST

If You Could 'Delete' One Hero From The Game, Which Hero Would It Be?

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 10:43 AM PST

Inspired by /u/5510 's comment in another thread... Which hero would you delete from the game if you could, and why?

Their comment really got me thinking about it, and I would probably take out Uther right now. Mind you, I main support, but my reasoning would be by taking him out (I so rarely play him) Blizz may make another support. But maybe it's better to go with the devil you know.

Who would you take out, and why?

EDIT To update tallies

UPDATE AS OF 5:45PM PST

Tally so far, for the curious.

I did not know this would get so 'big.' Hindsight, I should have done a survey money or something, but I'm just happy everyone chimed in and shared their opinions. I went through each comment and chain and counted. I may have missed some, for that I apologize. But I tried to be very meticulous in counting so everyone had their tally up here.

Nova: 21

Chromie: 17

Murky: 13

Valeera: 10

Samuro: 9

Sylvanis: 9

Tassadar: 7

Tracer: 7

Sgt. Hammer: 6

No Hero: 4

Abathur: 4

Gazlowe: 3

TLV (including an "Olaf" vote): 3

Alarak: 2

Artanis: 2

Lt. Morales: 2

Li Ming: 2

Azmodan: 2

Zeratul: 2

Illidan: 2

Tyrande: 2

Luccio: 2

Rexxar: 1

Xul: 1

Ragnaros: 1

Tychus: 1

Nazeebo: 1

Muradin: 1

Cho'Gall: 1

Cho: 1

Zul'jin: 1

Alarak: 1

Roadhog?: 1

Medivh: 1

Varian: 1

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Why was Zagara nerfed so much?

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 01:27 PM PST

I played HotS 2 years ago, but took a long break to play Smite insted. However I just returned to HotS because the many different maps and the extremely uniqe heroes makes for an amazing game. So far I have had a ton of fun, but I have one big question.

Why was Zagara nerfed so much? according to tierlist http://www.tentonhammer.com/articles/heroes-of-the-storm-tier-list she is a the buttom second only to Murky who just got changed. When I played two years ago she was a very powerful and hero, but I also liked her old talents better.

Their might very well be a very good reason for this extreme nerf that I don't know about, so I want to ask the community what reason Blizzard gave for the hard nerf and how the community and particular zagara mains feels about the new Zagara.

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[Bug report] Since the Jan 24 patch, Misha no longer follows her target to their last known location (bushes or vents).

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 02:17 AM PST

Misha would originally let go of the target she was following/attacking if they walked into a bush.

It was changed in May 2016 and it worked perfectly well.

Since the last patch however, the one that changed Misha's controls (for better or worse, this isn't the point of this post), she once again loses her target when they walk into a bush.

I know there aren't many Rexxar players so this post may not get much traction, but I hope we can get a few upvotes for visibility.

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What happened to everyone playing this game?

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 11:34 AM PST

I have to say, normally I let this stuff roll off my back, but it's becoming more and more difficult. So much so, that I felt compelled to post about it.

I've been eager to get myself into HL for such a long time but was a little too nervous to. Last week I said "F it" and just went for it. I feel like I'm at a level of play that won't end up with me making a complete fool of myself (I hope). At first I was having a blast, but it didn't take long at all to get stuck playing match after match with whom could possibly be some of the most wretched humans I've ever encountered.

I've been pretty lucky to have not been the victim of any of their fouled mothery, but I have no doubt my time is coming. I remember when HotS was in its infancy and the community was fantastic. Really supportive players that would help you out or guide teams that looked like they were not 100% sure how to play that map / character / etc. Just happy people wanting to play a fun game. The last three or four games I played were just awful (and many other before that). Total blow outs. But what really sucked about it is that in each of those games there was at least one "child" who just bitched and bitched the whole time. "[NAME] is shit!" "haha! [NAME] is the worst!" "just let them win and get this over with!" "you're an idiot!"... you get the idea. Sometimes it doesn't even get past the draft without of the crazies starting their crazy. In most cases it ended up that at least one of them would quit mid-game. PS - you get penalized for bailing on a game so why not just be a team player and finish it out?

I'm going to assume that the toxic players don't play on "real" team sports. If I ever quit a hockey game because I wasn't happy with how my team was playing that day, I'm pretty sure that would be the last game I played with my team.

What I don't get is this - if you're in a situation that you have time to type something out, why not be a leader, or just a good person, and guide the player/team instead of bitching? I find myself more often communicating to my team to stop acting like children and be nice instead of comm. useful info for the game.

When did this community turn this sour? Can we not forget that this is a game? Games are meant to be fun, not a cause of severe anxiety. If you play and constantly get angry at others, then it's probably best you play some other game that won't give you an ulcer. It's really not healthy what some of you guys are doing to yourselves and others.

In the meantime, I'm going to keep playing and keep trying to keep the peace. I just hope other can follow suit.

PS - I realize this is setting me up to get horribly flamed here on reddit. So Mr.Troll, if it makes you feel better about yourself - flame away.

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Can we have a "Respawn" button in Sandbox Mode?

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 12:57 AM PST

Sandbox mode is a great tool to try things out in, especially in a team.

But it's annoying that when you die, there is no cheat to respawn. You can do things like speed up the game or set the levels again, which causes everyone to respawn back at base but those are workarounds.

Can we get an extra button which just sets the death timers to 0?

Thanks.

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Two small QoL changes for Dehaka

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 01:02 AM PST

I would like a range indicator for the knockback range from Lurker Strain at level four as well as a countdown timer for Swift Pursuit at level 16.

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HGC KR KDA List Week #1

Posted: 09 Feb 2017 08:03 PM PST

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