Daily Discussion Thread 01/29/17 Super Smash Bros Daily Report


Daily Discussion Thread 01/29/17

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 11:06 PM PST

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Chu's Shroomed Diss Track

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 02:39 PM PST

Alex19 give The Moon the Magic

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 06:29 PM PST

Fatality with the triple dair-footstool to knee on Ryuga

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 07:28 PM PST

n0ne just beat Westballz at Socal Colosseum

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 07:47 PM PST

Smash 4 makes a return at CEO 2017

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 03:29 PM PST

https://twitter.com/CEOGaming/status/825462071621984261

I know it was expected but here's the confirmation. Side note: Hyped Pokken is making a return

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N0ne takes it with style

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 09:43 PM PST

Introducing SmashVods: A comprehensive smash video database! (Melee, Wii U, PM, 64)

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 06:22 AM PST

Sick combo on n0ne by Westballz

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 07:46 PM PST

N0ne homie stocks, then goes off on S2J

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 08:35 PM PST

MKleo is one of the only people to not suffer from the sponsorship curse.

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 03:05 PM PST

All of the G4 winners were from different countries

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 09:10 AM PST

Armada from Sweden won Melee, MKLeo from Mexico won Sm4sh, and Alvin from Peru won 64. Really shows how Smash is becoming an international eSport all around.

EDIT: And FullStream, from America won Rivals.

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John Numbers with the fastest mash

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 05:08 PM PST

looked like a fair footstool to end the set, but nope.. https://clips.twitch.tv/houseof3000/VastGoshawkShibeZ

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N0ne channels his inner SilentSpectre against DruggedFox

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 09:36 PM PST

Glutonny is a madman

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 07:44 AM PST

This SoCal colosseum is the sickest regional I've seen

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 09:30 PM PST

6 sets in top 8 so far have gone to game 5, and everyone is playing amazing. Westballz-n0ne and n0ne-s2j were incredible. And now we've got GOAT commentary

bracket

(I'm not counting Eden, that one felt bigger than a regional)

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An interview with 64's Wangera

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 02:14 PM PST

https://thesmashwriter.wordpress.com/2017/01/28/philosophy-corner-with-the-dark-gentleman-wangera/

Dark Gentleman is starting an interview series with some of 64's most influential, yet mysterious, players. Here is the first in the series with the dynamic Jigglypuff main: Wangera.

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Vancouver's New eSports Casino! Tournament w/ $1000 POT BONUS Live Now!

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 02:14 PM PST

Top 12 starting soon! Check out the stream below! Upsets are in the comments.

Winners

CACAW | Big D CaptainFalcon Mario (BC PR#1) vs Bundtcake Charizard Kirby (unranked)

UBCEA | Locus Ryu (BC PR#3) vs Bishly Fox (BC PR#9)

Losers

Shoghi Marth Roy (unranked) vs Focus Sheik Cloud (BC PR#4)

Kantrip Sonic Lemmy (BC PR#6) vs Len Pit (BC PR#5)

Sandman LittleMac Cloud (BC PR#9) vs Firefly Yoshi (unranked)

Espeon•CH Link (unranked) vs Exodia ZeroSuitSamus(Alberta PR#1)

Smash.gg: https://smash.gg/tournament/elements-fighting-games-challenge/details

Stream: https://www.twitch.tv/vanstreetbattle

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Mang0's Opinion on the Falco vs. Fox Matchup

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 08:58 PM PST

Will Mr.R be able to keep competing in the US?

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 05:21 PM PST

Ssbwiki says he's Iranian, but is he prohibited from entering the US for the forseeable future?

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what happened to Fly Amanita

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 01:40 PM PST

why did he take a break from competing?

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SFAT on making improvement a lifestyle

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 01:53 PM PST

Why does The Moon warm up with counters/shield drop counters?

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 08:07 PM PST

What is he doing?

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Top 50 PGRv2 | Smash 4 Highlight Video

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 03:09 PM PST

Revisiting Abadango vs Captain Zack. We know Witch time is a bit ridiculous, but is it unreasonable?

Posted: 28 Jan 2017 04:47 AM PST

Lots of stuff goes down in this set that I dont analyze, i just wanted to pull put four particular instances here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy-8Md7LDuM&t=0m45s

Simply spacing a down tilt as bayonetta tries to approach mewtwo, which she shouldnt be doing and is exactly a part of Mewtwos game. She manages to witch time the frame 6 down tilt just as the move is starting, and if you look how far back she is, Mewtwo is practically at the ledge of the stage and Bayonetta is far back to the yellow female villager. Its unreal that Mewtwo can throw out a simple spacing tool to back someone up, and get punished by death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy-8Md7LDuM&t=8m24s

This is exactly how mewtwos game is supposed to play. Get back to stage, use shadow ball. Bait your opponents movement, bayo comes in with a bair and mewtwo roll dodges it to retake the stage advantage and punish her for her movement. Yet when he throws out his frame 6, supposedly safe dtilt to punish, Bayonetta witch times it on startup again, and punishes it by death. This time the positions have switched; Bayos back is near the ledge and mewtwo is at the brown bearcat animal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy-8Md7LDuM&t=12m56s

Bayo whiffs an afterburner kick and lands on a platform with landing lag. Mewtwo goes to punish it going through the platform with a frame 7 nair, gets taken from 19% to 73%. This wouldnt happen to anyone else in the game. He is dragging the nair down, so no one else besides the last 2 DLC characters could have even connected the counter. Had he not DI'd out he would have died

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy-8Md7LDuM&t=15m06s

She goes for a Bair, Mewtwo shields it and goes for the Fair OoS. This is a frame 6 punish and mewtwo has the range to punish these moves. Yet, Bayo witch times after the bair and catches his fair, leading to death. This move should not be punishable, and certainly not lead to an instant stock loss

Question. Is this unreasonable? This is literally Mewtwos bread and butter game and most of these were either just basic spacing moves or the most safe of punishes that instead got punished themself. It isnt that Aba doesnt know the matchup, as he has taken out the likes of Salem, 9B, Pink Fresh (in a 2-0) and Saj (in a 3-1 with a 2 stock)

I just... dont see how to compete with this. You cant really say "well this was a bait and punish" because this wouldnt be possible with any other character in the game. Witch time covers such a massive range on her front, back, and underneath her, and no other character offers the type of reward that this move offers. Many of the moves were getting countered on their startup, and even if they werent, Bayo still has Bat Within as a safety net

Kudos to Zack on the win, i just have to say G4s top 8 was straight up aggrevating to watch for a variety of reasons, this being one of them. The disjoint is supposed to be a tool to keep opponents out of your face, especially for a lightweight like Mewtwo. But with Witch times absurd properties and hitbox for activation, this doesnt seem balanced at all.

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