Fallout - We are Legion: The Courier that succeeded Caeser


We are Legion: The Courier that succeeded Caeser

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 03:34 AM PDT

As we all know, due to time constraints, Obsidian had to, unfortunately, cut a LARGE amount of the Legion's content, from quests and characters to towns and locations.

Today I'd like to present you folks with an idea, an idea for a set of quests and or events that would either A) Change the Caesar Ending of the Legion or B) Give the game a whole new version of the Legion Ending, a Wildcard 2 so to say.

We all know that the only reason why the Legion is successful as both a "nation" and an ideology is because of Caesar. The man's towering intellect and understanding of both history and grand strategy, has managed to make the Legion, without getting into detail, a success. But we all know that it all ends with Caesar, should he die, the Legion will die. Lanius is no proper successor, he can't fit the shoes of a leader, Caesar himself said as much.

But what of the Courier? Maybe he can? Or maybe he should?

I propose to you two ideas/questlines then;

  • A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM

This Quest can only be activated after the player has exhausted every bit of possible dialogue with both Caesar, Vulpes Inculta, and Lucius, learning as much as possible about the Legion's Ideology and goals while being Idolized by the faction. When the issue of Caesar's health comes into question and Lanius is brought up as a possible successor, by asking favours from Vulpes, Lucius, Aurelius of Phoenix and others (watch in which order you do it though, asking certain members first may be seen as the player causing dissent amongst the ranks), the player can convince a large portion of the Legion's command to support the Courier as Caesar's successor. In turn, Caesar will force you to pass a few Intelligence / Charisma / Speech checks to see if the Courier has what it takes to actually continue Caesar's goals and ideals as well as lead the Legion. Should the player succeed they will be declared as Caesar's successor much to the rejoice of the lower ranks and the displeasure of Lanius because the player will become the new favoured Legatus of Caesar and lead his troops at Hoover Dam. Should the player fail Lanius will challenge the Courier to a duel of honour. If Lanius wins you can pass a Charisma / Speech check to save your sorry ass, but if you fail/can't you die. If the Courrier wins he just wins the duel, nothing else.

The main idea is that the Courrier has to embody the great ideals of the Legion to be able to lead it properly, so if he fails the stat checks he can't prove himself as the true successor to Caesar.

In any case, should the player become Caesar's successor the Ending will reflect that with the Legion's victory at Hoover Dam, the Legion as secured the Mojave as well as its Power and Future, with some variations depending on the player's Karma.

But the Courrier could be a more ambitious Successor.

Caesar's health is deteriorating fast due to his tumour, and should the player fail to save Caesar's life, unintentionally or not, the player will become the DeFacto ruler of the Legion, becoming the new Caesar in a nice little ceremony and starting the questline

  • WE ARE LEGION

This questline is one of the most Dialogue check intensive questlines where the player is thrust into making crucial decisions for the Legion in order to lead it to victory at Hoover Dam. These are various strategic and philosophical decisions that depending on your stats, karma, as well as relations with other factions, will guide the Legion.

As the Legion's new ruler the player has a very important first decision to make, At this point, we are nearing the end of the game and it would behove of the player to make as many preparations as possible to win. But there's a catch, surely the NCR will learn that you have become the new leader of the Legion right? Normally yes and it will become nearly impossible to walk the Mojave without getting hit by an NCR Ranger hit squad. Unless the player passes either a high Intelligence / Sneak check with Vulpes Inculta to spread the news that Lanius has become the new "leader" of the Legion allowing the player to freely walk the wastes.

This way the player will manage to make alliances with the Three Families, the various towns like Westside, Primm, Novac and Goodsprings, factions like the Brotherhood, the Followers and the Powdergangers, even sub-factions like the Crimson Caravans, the Gun Runners and the Van Graffs (with a change in management). This, of course, depending on the decisions the player takes as well as Karma, Bad Karma will never win the Followers over to your side of course. The ways to recruit/assimilate these factions depend of course on dialogue checks and quest you perform, an example f the top of my head would be: for the player to recruit the Brotherhood to your cause you'd have to already be a member, then depending on the current Elder, with McNamara having both a hard Dialogue Check as well as a difficult quest but more stable and prosperous relation between the Legion and the Brotherhood, while Hardin being a similarly hard Dialogue Check but no Quest making it easier to ally with them but with a more volatile relationship with the Legion. This Quest will also change Veronica's view on the Legion, should she stay with the Brotherhood.

There will be decisions like: the fate of Technology in this new Legion (affecting the future of the Brotherhood), the future of women in the Legion, the assimilation of new Tribes into the Legion, etc.

Then there is the much awaited Legion Companion, two in fact! Firstly your loyal head of the Praetorian Guard Lucius, an unarmed and melee specialist, he is the personal bodyguard of Caesar so it's his duty to protect the new Ceaser. But also there would be, Vulpes Inculta, who would be the finest stealth/crit companion around, with the added bonus of allowing the player to lockpick any lock no matter the level, but it doesn't make the lock easier to open. The main difference between them would be that Lucius will attack any NCR in sight whilst Vulpa will not as a master infiltrator/spy.

This all culminates in an ending that depending on the decisions and karma will either A) Good Karma Legion being less rape enthusiast and more of a Great Unifier type B) Neutral Karma Legion stays on its original path under Caesar C) Bad Karma Legion becoming a Great Destroyer of everything.

I hope you enjoyed my idea, please comment below and give your ideas too!

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I hate the “Fallout 4 is Trash” discourse

Posted: 27 Mar 2018 07:44 PM PDT

I have played Fallout 3, New Vegas and Fallout 4. New Vegas is my favorite game of the three, however, I am so annoyed by the "Fallout 4 is a bad game" discourse. Fallout 4 is not a bad game. Is it as good as New Vegas? No, of course it isn't. But it is a really good game. It's fun, it's original, it's very well made, it has amazing mechanics and it has a great story. I think the problem with Fallout 4 was that the hype killed it. It wasn't what people were expecting specially after a game as amazing as NV, but it is a great game nonetheless! It is so annoying to see people bashing on this game unreasonably. Once again, I am not saying is the best game in the series, but it is an awesome game and it doesn't deserve all the hate people have given it.

EDIT: Never expected this post to be so controversial. I am gonna expand a little on my opinion. I played Fallout NV and FO3 almost side to side when I started to get into the games. However, I kept avoiding FO4 as people kept saying how bad it was, and I started believing it was. One day I decided to give the game a try and, to my surprise, I really liked it, I loved it even, not as much as NV, but I really did! FO4 is a great game and shouldn't be so bashed on. There are things that it did right and there are other things where it fucked up, but I do think all the games are like that. I don't think Bethesda made a mediocre and, much less, an awful game, I just think they went around and tried what they could do. Some of it worked, some of it didn't. All games are flawed and they are liked or disliked for different reasons, yet FO4 is treated as the if it was the destroyer of the Fallout series or a further proof that companies are low key stealing from their consumers. Maybe I am just a Bethesda fanboy, but I think some of the best games right now are made by them, that includes FO4. The massive circlejerk that is claiming FO4 is the worst Fallout and NV is Jesus come alive again in the shape of a video game is annoying as hell. Both games are great for different reasons and they can be appreciated even for their 'flaws' when compared to one another. I think it's best to not compare them and just take them as different games with different mechanics. Edit 2: HOLY FUCK you people are more passionate than I thought.

Edit 3: I didn't expect this post to get so big. I absolutely hate ever making it.

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Am I The Only One That Thinks Oxhorn is Really Annoying?

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 09:53 AM PDT

Don't get me wrong he puts out really good content I was addicted to fallout lore for a week or 2 then I noticed how overly dramatic and annoying he talks and over exaggerates things and sometimes drags things out and talks like a PG movie for kids and its a real damn shame no one else does fallout lore besides him I've been trying to find lore about honest hearts and an explanation to all of lonesome road on YouTube. I'm just curious to see if anyone feels the same sense I know people praise him but I can't stand him

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An amazing cinematic moment (Fo4) (spoilers)

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 04:10 AM PDT

So while doing the quest where you search for the BOS recon team and I was at the satellite relay part. Now I'm on survival so this was gonna be a bitch to do. Me and Danse we're making our way up one of the relay towers where the scribe was when the mutants basically cornered us, and had it so I couldn't leave without getting my head blown off. I'm about to say fuck it and go Rambo when out of nowhere a vertiberd flies overhead and the machine gun just lights up like the Fourth of July, the vertiberd tears the shit out of at least 5 mutants before i get the idea to leave, we had just cleared another tower when Boom a rocket hits the vertiberd and it goes down but the knight in power armor must have glitches out because he popped out of the vertiberd as it was falling making it look like he jumped out and took out a Gatling laser. Needless to say it was one of the best dungeon raids of the game for me

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Replaying Fallout 3, after many years, and I'm starting to remember things from it, or miss things that were in Fallout 4

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 01:14 PM PDT

You never realize how much you needed instant loading of terminal text until you press A/X/whatever and just load the selected entry instead of loading the text. And I miss sprinting. However the game is still a solid game nearly 10 years later. I certainly didn't miss Karma. I remember it was a pain in the ass to be a good guy, and real easy to be evil, locking you out of the only not terrible companion. Iron sights was a great addition, and it's kinda confusing going back to a system that didn't have it.

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Anyone else think C.I.T. Ruins in F04 is the worst location?

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 01:17 AM PDT

It's a huge building with basically nothing inside of it, plus a ton of courtyard space that is just completely empty. It's been the biggest eye sore in the game for me since its release (just started my first survival play through so I'm not an expert by any means).

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To everyone concerned about the negative Fallout 4 attitude

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 09:26 AM PDT

Back in 2012 after Fallout New Vegas: Ultimate Edition came out I played it for the first time and fell in love. It felt like such an amazing game and held me captivated in a way that when I went and played Fallout 3, it couldn't. When I told this to the people I played games with, I was told:

  1. I was retarded

  2. Fallout NV was the worst Fallout game ever

  3. My taste in games was trash

  4. There was no way any sane person for any reason would ever think Fallout NV was better than Fallout 3 in any regard

  5. Like the color orange much?

  6. I needed to stop playing games with those people because they didn't want to play with a retard like me

I don't know if you've heard of the phrase 'Tear stained, rose tinted glasses' but people, especially gamers, have raging nostalgia boners about things from pivotal times of their life. The first game you played in a franchise is probably the best. Whichever James Bond you watched first is the best James Bond. Your first (or most full) experience colors what you expect of all subsequent experiences of that type. When Oblivion came out people only cared about Morrowind, when Skyrim came out people loved Oblivion, when the next TES VI comes out people will say it pales in comparison to Skyrim no matter what. When Fallout 5 comes out, Fallout 4 will be the best game of all time according to the Fallout community. Don't put too much stock in what other people like and don't like. No one else has the experiences that make a game the best game TO YOU. Does Fallout 4 have flaws, yes. Are there things Bethesda could have done differently and possibly made it better, yes. BUT SO DOES EVERY GAME EVER. THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN IMPROVED IF IT STAYED IN DEVELOPMENT LONGER. THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE DECISIONS THAT THE DEVS MAKE THAT CHANGE THINGS SOME PEOPLE LIKED. IT DOESN'T MAKE IT A TERRIBLE GAME. Like the games you like, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Unless you like pay-to-win games, then go fuck yourself.

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How did you survive Survival?

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 02:24 PM PDT

What are/were your personal trick(s) for staying alive out in the Commonwealth in Survival mode? This can include anything, such as weapon choice/perks/fighting strategies, ect.

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Which one of these DLC's is your favorite?

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 09:34 AM PDT

Caravan pack, Classic pack, Mercenary pack, Dead money, Honest hearts, Old World blues, Lonesome road, Gun runners arsenal,

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(question) which fallout game should i get my dad for his birthday?

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 11:14 AM PDT

hey r/fallout! i am planning on giving my dad a fallout game for his birthday. my question is, which game should i get for him? the selections i had were fallout 1 and 2, or new vegas. 1 and 2 because he is most familiar with isometric RPGs rather than first/third person shooters. i was also thinking NV, as it is my only fallout game, and we would have more subject to talk about. my main concern is that he may not be very good at NV, as he has never played a first/third person shooter. so, r/fallout, what do you think?

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Does anyone else think Bethesda could have done better with the tv aspect?

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 10:41 AM PDT

imagine this you clear hubris comics for the ghoul to get him the silver shroud stuff, then you never really bother with it again. What if you could take it as a settlement, and make a tv station in which you would have to build certain items to broadcast, then in each settlement you would have to build a receiver for the broadcast, and it will play short little things made by settlers you put there. The possibilities, you could have a news time, a "the sight with mama murphey" show, commercials made by preston for the minutemen

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DLC for FNV on XBOX questions??

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 02:50 PM PDT

I recently bought the goty edition of FNV and I installed all the DLC off the second disc. When I started my new game I click on the additional content option on the main menu and it still listed the prices for the dlc and I could still buy them even though there installed. So I started my character and I'm still in goodsprings and wondering how I would know if the DLC is active. Or if I'm doing something wrong. I have an Xbox one x and I bought the physical copy if that helps. Also is there a chronological order to the dlc or way I should play them?

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The *We are Legion* Straw poll

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 11:43 AM PDT

Here below is the link to a poll that relates to this previous post, I'd recommend giving it a read to make sure you understand what I'm proposing.

But in short, I thought up a scenario where the Courier depending on several dialogue checks, karma and relationship to the Legion, could become Caesar's official successor and eventually, should his health take a turn for the worse, replace him as leader of the Legion, in a sort of Wild Card 2 ending.

Here you'll find the poll.

Please enjoy!

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Did anyone else take the most enjoyment from Fallout 2?

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 04:51 AM PDT

I know it ain't pretty, it's old and clunky but i enjoyed playing it more than the more recent games. I just had more fun, anyone else?

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the Brotherhood about the synth refuge

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 11:53 AM PDT

Is there anyway to fail this mission or am I stuck with it until I tell them. And what will Far Harbor think of me. Please help

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What’s the point of doing speed runs if you are just exploiting glitches and hoping to break the game as fast as possible?

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 05:27 AM PDT

Last week I was browsing Twitch and found someone doing a speed run for Fallout 4, I really liked the game since it introduce me to the series (currently playing Fallout 3). What let me down is that the speed runs are basically how fast can you glitch and/or breaking the game in absurd ways, it comes mostly to luck and not too much skill.

Is there someone who speed runs the game by actually playing the game? I know that a game as long as Fallout 4 is hard to speed run but that will really show how good a gamer is especially if he plays in Survival difficulty.

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How should've the player met the Minutemen in Fallout 4?

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 03:32 PM PDT

I have a lot of ideas how Fallout 4's story be improved, but feel like I haven't nailed down how the player should encounter the Minutemen and potentially join that faction. I think the Minutemen have the potential to be a sensible faction if they had a better introduction, a real campaign of quests, and more developed gameplay mechanics.

The fight at Concord is frequently criticized for introducing power armor, miniguns, and deathclaws far too early for a Fallout game. Some also criticize the lack of an option to join the raiders.

But even the power armor was removed and you had the option of joining the raiders, there is another problem with the fight at Concord: despite the urgency and seeming lack of supplies, Preston and his crew will hold out indefinitely if the player doesn't proceed with the quest. It breaks immersion. On the other hand, I find it hard to believe no one else scavenged the power armor or vertibird in the 210 years since the bombs dropped.

I would like to know how you'd introduce the Minutemen to the player. In addition, would you introduce them in the early game or later on? Would Preston still a character or would he be replaced?

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Someone wrote "GARY" all over main streets in my city, so I thought I'd share!

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 03:26 PM PDT

Is there anyone in any Fallout game born before 2000 and still alive (or mostly alive)?

Posted: 28 Mar 2018 03:03 PM PDT

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