Super Smash Bros - Metagame Monday 185 - Weekly Smash Q&A Thread for all the hard questions like "How do I get out of down throw wobble setups?" |
- Metagame Monday 185 - Weekly Smash Q&A Thread for all the hard questions like "How do I get out of down throw wobble setups?"
- Daily Discussion Thread 05/01/17
- n0ne gets wobbled in his favorite game
- Coach Crunch on lame tactics and player hate
- Axe breaks the Falcon Nair Only HRC
- Dreamhack Austin, Chudat's road to Grands, and the impact of reseeding Armada's #1 Seed
- Mario's Footstool to N-air Lock
- Has Melee ever been as pretty as this?
- Old time Brawl legend AllieD passes away from cancer
- 20XX vs. 20XX (TAS)
- Beep Beep I'm a Sheep but each "Beep Beep" is a JJROCKETS SD
- eSports teams in Smash Bros. - May 2017 update
- Congratulations to the Winner of 64 Singles at Lets Go 2017!
- Southern Ontario Smash 4 Power Ranking - 2017 Season 1
- How Can I Deal with Players Who Exhibit Uncontrollable Rage at My Own Weekly?
- Long time member of Smash community Allied is now resting easier after long battle with cancer
- Beijing Smash 4, Melee, and 64 Spring 2017 Power Rankings
- Captain Zack's Bayonetta "Planking" MU Chart
- One of the most memorable moments at the Smash 64 major, Lets Go, involved a 12 year old player named Qapples and his run from D4 to D2.
- One of the largest PM events of all time will be the Bigger Balc! 303 entrants so far!!!
- "Why My Main is Sick: Yoshi" will be live Tuesday at 9:30pm EST! Listen to Shiny Zubat, burntsocks, and Wisely as they go over everyone's favorite dino!
- A Case For a Non God Top 5 Member
- High Level Gameplay
- Fox Shorts: Buffered Shield Drops
- Introducing SSB World Player Blogs
- Goten highlight combo video : Squirtle creatives and no sens combos , Falcon destructions , Marth footstool combos , Falco smooth combos and DDK lol edguard
| Posted: 30 Apr 2017 10:55 PM PDT Hey all, welcome to Metagame Monday! For anyone who doesn't know the drill, this is a place where you can ask any question about Super Smash Bros. Seriously, anything! We firmly believe there are no stupid questions. We just ask that you put your questions under the appropriate comment below. Link to last week's MGM Thread.If you don't mind, would you guys also take a look at last week's Metagame Monday thread to see if any questions went unanswered there? New questions should go here, but I know we have some stragglers' questions that don't get answered each week. Also be sure to check out our IRC chat! It's a great place to hang out and talk about smash IN REAL TIME. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Daily Discussion Thread 05/01/17 Posted: 01 May 2017 01:31 AM PDT Welcome to the Daily Discussion Thread series on /r/smashbros! Inspired by /r/SSBM and /r/hiphopheads's DDTs, you can post here:
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| n0ne gets wobbled in his favorite game Posted: 01 May 2017 02:05 PM PDT
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| Coach Crunch on lame tactics and player hate Posted: 01 May 2017 10:26 AM PDT For those who didn't watch, in the last game of DH:Austin hbox won the tourney by timing out chu through defensive play and ledge camping. As usual when the type of melee people don't like to see happens, there are a lot of attacks online towards the player. This type of thing happens a lot to various players from m2k, to wizzy, to hbox, to any wobbling ICs. Players will always do whatever is allowed within the rules to win, specially when there's a lot of money and a tourney on the line. Attacking the players isn't only hurtful, it's also woefully unproductive. Rudeness aside, that's probably what frustrates me most; It doesn't accomplish anything positive. Pretty much never will insulting a player change the way they play. Instead, channel the salt into something productive. If you want to change the gameplay, then try to change the rules to encourage different gameplay. We've done this many times before and it's something that happens in all sports. The shot clock in basketball comes to mind. If you hate seeing ledge camping, advocate for a ledge grab limit. If you hate wobbling, then don't insult the ICs, talk to people and make posts and polls to discuss wobbling. If you hate seeing 30 seconds go by on pokemon with absolutely nothing happening, then talk about banning pokemon or using no transformations pokemon. Polls btw are an effective way to get change in the community. Mid set coaching was allowed, then discussions and polls happened. The community's voices were heard, it got banned, and that was that. So discuss! TLDR. You can't change the players but you can change the rules. Stay classy reddit. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Axe breaks the Falcon Nair Only HRC Posted: 01 May 2017 07:33 PM PDT After many attempts throughout multiple streams, Axe beats the world record for Falcon nair only by .3m https://clips.twitch.tv/GiftedAthleticCiderPanicBasket Edit: Better link of the whole thing by birdpers0n [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Dreamhack Austin, Chudat's road to Grands, and the impact of reseeding Armada's #1 Seed Posted: 01 May 2017 04:07 PM PDT TL;DR: Reseeding the bracket statistically puts Chudat in losers after losing to Wizzrobe in WBR1. If we move forward statistically on all matches that impact Chudat's run, as well as ignore the unfavorable statistics on all of Chudat's matches, his road to Grand Finals would be as follows: Chudat beats Hugs, Westballz, S2J/SFAT, Mango, Leffen/Plup, and then m2k to be sitting in Grand Finals against Hbox. Hey there! After watching the Hungrybox vs Chudat Grand Final, I was left curious at an alternative outcome. This outcome has to do with the hypothetical reseeding of seeds #1-32 after Armada dropped out of singles. I am not the most qualified or most knowledgeable when it comes to seeds, so please correct me if you see something out of place! The purpose of this hypothetical reseed is to outline what could have been Chudat's bracket if things had been appropriately seeded. Before you criticize, I would ask that you read the last paragraph. Just a heads up, this is probably going to be long. A couple of things very important things to note about this reseed:
With that, here is the current reseeding of the top 32. This formatting allows you to see which player is in Winners Top 24 (bold) and which player is in Losers Top 32. Potential upsets and important matches will be noted. (1) Hbox vs (32) MemeLord (2) m2k vs (31) Iceman (3) Leffen vs (30) uuaa (4) Mango vs (29) NY Joey (5) Plup vs (28) Toph (6) SFAT vs (27) Ken (7) Axe vs (26) Tafokints (8) ChuDat vs (25) Uncle Mojo (9) Wizzrobe vs (24) Android [Note #1] (10) Westballz vs (23) Santiago [Note #2] (11) Duck vs (22) Chillindude (12) S2J vs (21) Gahtzu (13) n0ne vs (20) Laudandus (14) Shroomed vs (19) Crush (15) MikeHaze vs (18) MacD (16) Syrox vs (17) HugS [Note #3] [Note #1] - Though some would question how cut-and-dry Wizzy beating Android would be, I am not one of those people. Considering Wizzy's strong showings against Sheiks around Android's skill level (2016: 1-0 on KirbyKaze, 1-0 on Laudandus, 1-0 on Overtriforce) and some decent showings against the top Sheiks, I believe that Wizzy would win against Android at this tournament. [Note #2] - It's pretty far removed, but this match is important to our hypothetical. I just wanted to comment that this match is a toss-up. Santi has given Wes some trouble in the past, but I feel confident in Wes's ability to deal with his Sheik problem at this current moment. For the sake of this hypothetical, let's assume that the higher ranked player, Westballz, pulls out the win. [Note #3] - This match is pre-WR1 as they would be in the same pool, so I wanted to note this here. The winner of this match comes into play later on in Chu's bracket. To avoid recency bias, we have to acknowledge that Hugs is up 3-1 in sets against Syrox. Reason leads me to believe that Hugs would win this match, so let's run with that. With all that being said, let's dig into Chu's new bracket. You can find the bracket I've used here: http://challonge.com/DHAMeleeReseed Winners Round 2 (T24): Axe vs Westballz - With how the bracket works in our hypothetical, this matchup is notable for later on. Keep in mind that the winner of this match is relevant because their next matchup is against m2k. The person who loses to m2k after Mike Haze (apologies homie) is relevant to Chu's bracket. Seeing as Wes is up 5-0 on Axe in 2016, it feels reasonable to put him down as winning this matchup, but losing to m2k. The result of this is made clear later on. Winners Round 2 (T24): Chudat vs Wizzrobe - In total, Chu and Wizzy have played four sets, all of which have been in 2016/2017. Wizzy is currently up 3-1. In their first two sets (Pound 2016 & TBH6), Wizzy won (2-0, 3-2). Chu then took the next set at G4, winning 3-1. Finally, at Smash Rivalries, Wizzy took their last set 3-0. Again, avoiding a recency bias which would still favor Wizzy, I believe that Wizzy would win this WR1 match. This would then send Chudat to Losers R3 of Top 24 to face the winner of Hugs/Chillin (lul memes). Losers Round 2 (T24): Hugs vs Chillin - I personally believe that Hugs would beat Chillin in their G3 rematch. Feel free to discuss what you think in the comments. Even if Chillin were to beat Hugs, it's hard to predict the Chu/Chillin matchup considering they've only ever met in tournament once (Chu 2-0'd Chillin, S@X) and how often they play against one another. If Chillin were to beat Hugs, I would still favor Chu due to his recent form. As you'll see, it doesn't matter who wins between Hugs and Chillin Losers Round 3 (T16): Chudat vs Hugs - I personally believe Hugs beats Chillin. With this, another meme match is set in place. Despite Samus being an unfavorable matchup for ICs, I still would bet my money on Chu. Considering his record on Hugs being 1-0 in 2016 as well as his recent form, I believe Chu would take this match. It must be noted, Hugs has been improving a ton as of late as well, pushing himself quite a bit. I don't think this would be a blowout, by any means. Losers Round 4 (T12): Chudat vs Westballz - This one feels hard to say. These two have met three times in 2016, but all three times at the same tournament. Each set was best-of-three. Wes won their first match in WF 2-0 with Fox. Then, he lost to Chu 0-2 in GF Set #1 while using DK and Falcon. Finally, he lost again 1-2 in GF Set #2 while using Fox in a last-stock situation where Chu had a 100% lead on Weston's counterpick. It was followed by a pretty solid =D7 if you were wondering. With all that being said, this match is really hard to say who would win. For the sake of pushing this hypothetical to its maximum, let's put Chu through to LBR5. Losers Round 5 (T8): Chudat vs SFAT/Leffen/S2J - This is where it gets really difficult to predict how things go. I'm going to keep it short with bullet points.
With all that being said, I personally think that the most likely outcome is that Leffen beats SFAT, then SFAT beats s2j. Again, for the sake of our hypothetical, let's assume that Chu beats SFAT in their toss up. On to LBR6. Losers Round 6 (T6): Chudat vs Hbox/Mango/Plup/Wizzy - This is the trickiest part that is filled with the most "what if" type of matchups. For the sake of time and space, we are going to bluntly and blindly follow the stats from '16/'17. Bullet points necessary once again.
With these resulting statistical assumptions, Chu would be set to play Mango in LBR6. Statistically, Mango is Chu's best matchup out of the four potential losers of the first Winners Semis (Hbox up 2-0, Wizzy up 3-1, Plup up 1-0). Obviously this is very hard to predict correctly with all these toss-up matchups. If Plup beats Mango in Quarters, then Mango is on the other side of the bracket and would likely play Leffen instead of Chu. If Wizzy beats Hbox, then the winner of Mango/Plup would statistically be sitting in Winners Finals. If Mango beat Hbox in Semis, then Chu would be playing against Hbox in LBR6. With all the ifs considered and all the ifs playing in favor of Chu, we will assume that his matchup with Mango would play out the same. Chu beats Mango and moves on to Losers Semis. Losers Semi-Final (T4): Chu vs Leffen/Plup - On the other side of the bracket, Leffen and Plup are likely to play each other for a spot in Losers Semi's. Though there is an argument to made that Leffen could beat m2k, let's assume things played out between those two the same in this bracket as they did this weekend. Moving forward, Leffen and Plup are tied in sets during '16/'17 (1-1) but the game count slightly favors Plup (4-3). For the sake of this matchup, we are not going to choose Leffen or Plup beating the other. The reason for this is because both Leffen and Plup are up 1-0 on Chu, both of whom beat Chu 3-1. It's fair to say that with the stats we have, Leffen and Plup are evenly matched in regards to their matchup against Chu. Though for the sake of this hypothetical bracket, we are going to assume that Chu upsets either Leffen or Plup for the first time ever in order to move on to the LBF. Losers Final (T3): Chu vs Hbox/m2k - Statistically, Hbox is more likely to beat m2k in the WBF. Hbox is up 5-3 in sets against m2k, though the most recent result favors m2k. Despite this recency bias, I believe that Hbox would recreate his win in this tournament and send m2k to the LBF. Following that trend of recreating the same results, we now have Chu beating m2k in the LBF. And there you have it, a potential and hypothetical reseeded bracket that results in Chudat in the Grand Final. If we are to strictly follow statistics in WBR1, Wizzy would send Chudat to the Losers Bracket. From here, strictly ignoring all statistics not in favor of Chudat, he would need to beat Hugs, Westballz, S2J/SFAT, Mango, Leffen/Plup, and then m2k to be sitting in GF against Hbox. I personally believe that this is the likely outcome of a reseeded bracket, but there is a ridiculous number of potential brackets. Perhaps Chudat beats Wizzy, but loses to Hbox. This would statistically result in Chudat needing to beat Axe, Plup, Leffen, Mango, then m2k for a spot in the GF. Or perhaps Chudat goes the route of beating Wizzy, Hbox, Mango/Plup, then m2k/Leffen and is sitting in Grand Finals on Winners side. Who knows what could have happened if the bracket was properly reseeded. I definitely don't. I'm not a psychic or anything. But I do believe that if the bracket was reseeded, Chudat would have had a significantly tougher road to Grands than he did. And let me finish by saying, this is not about whether or not Chu cheesed anyone out with ICs, is capable of beating top players, or deserved his spot in Grands. Not at all. This hypothetical is about the importance and integrity of seeding tournaments and what is on the line with proper seeding. Properly reseeding this tournament has a drastic impact on more brackets than just Chu's. M2k is one of those brackets, but feel free to look at the bracket and see just how different things statistically could've panned out. Thanks for reading. I apologize for how lengthy this is. Maybe this isn't worth the time it took to type, but maybe it is. At the very least, I hope this sparks some discussion. =D7 [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Mario's Footstool to N-air Lock Posted: 01 May 2017 12:04 PM PDT
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| Has Melee ever been as pretty as this? Posted: 01 May 2017 08:59 AM PDT 20XX 4.06 is awesome for a variety of reasons, that goes without saying. But I was struck recently by how incredible this game looks on some of the new stages! Here are a couple of clips I managed to grab quickly. All taken in 20XX 4.06 in Dolphin at 3x native resolution. Great job Achilles and everyone else who worked on the sweet new stages! Thanks for all your hard work. Let's see some of your favourite clips/screenshots too! [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Old time Brawl legend AllieD passes away from cancer Posted: 01 May 2017 09:23 PM PDT My thoughts and condolences go out to him and his family. #alliedstrong Some top players are showing respect as well: HBox: https://twitter.com/LiquidHbox/status/859258977242279936 Ally: https://twitter.com/C9AlIy/status/859258717816180736 Gunblade: https://twitter.com/GunbladeSWR/status/859260468984246272 Vinnie: https://twitter.com/Vinnie516/status/859257813247328256 #alliedstrong [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
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| Beep Beep I'm a Sheep but each "Beep Beep" is a JJROCKETS SD Posted: 01 May 2017 05:46 PM PDT
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| eSports teams in Smash Bros. - May 2017 update Posted: 01 May 2017 07:20 PM PDT Seeing as how we're a third of the way into 2017 and so many changes have happened since then, I thought it would be a good time to update this post I made a while back. I won't separate the games this time, just listing sponsors and players.
Phoenix1
Luminosity Gaming NRG
Immortals Renegades
Misfits
Denial
Obey Alliance
Allegiance
eLevate Team RivaL DetonatioN Gaming
Notable Free Agents
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| Congratulations to the Winner of 64 Singles at Lets Go 2017! Posted: 01 May 2017 08:44 AM PDT Grand Finals
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| Southern Ontario Smash 4 Power Ranking - 2017 Season 1 Posted: 01 May 2017 05:43 PM PDT PR Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLeOuFNJOko&feature=youtu.be Panelist Discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7mPSVX5NuI Just letting everyone know that Southern Ontario has a new updated PR! Results include tournaments from November all the way until April. Please check out the PR video and let me know what you all think of it :D PR Panelists: Meekspeedy, Blacktwins, Astro, PC Kryz, Red X, Truth [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
| How Can I Deal with Players Who Exhibit Uncontrollable Rage at My Own Weekly? Posted: 01 May 2017 11:16 AM PDT So I host weekly tournaments. One of the regulars will often yell and throw his controller when he loses. It normally starts off with him laughing about losing but it quickly takes a turn for the worst as he begins to john. Then, when he finally loses he will rage, throw a controller and slam the door as he leaves the venue. Sometimes he'll come back in and calm down, other times he just leaves for the night. Most of the other regulars will ignore it but I can tell it makes people feel awkward. We all also joke about it and he does too but the issue is that as we get closer to the summer, our events will start to get a lot more entrants and I don't want players avoiding our events because of it. Things I've tried Any suggestions from the community would be greatly appreciated. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Long time member of Smash community Allied is now resting easier after long battle with cancer Posted: 01 May 2017 09:22 PM PDT Sister tweet: https://twitter.com/devinhance/status/859243690598043648 Chelle: https://twitter.com/chelleastro/status/859248894328225793 Most known as a Smite player and streamer but is a long time member of smash community and friends to a lot of the community #Alliedstrong[link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Beijing Smash 4, Melee, and 64 Spring 2017 Power Rankings Posted: 01 May 2017 04:17 PM PDT Check out our PRs from January through April! We're small but we have weeklies for Smash 4 and monthlies for Melee and 64, with a lot of cross-participation between games. Huevos has stayed on top of Smash 4 since our last PR, but Ma-kun has managed to climb to 2nd in Smash 4, 1st in 64 and 5th in melee as a solo Link! Other honorable mentions:
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| Captain Zack's Bayonetta "Planking" MU Chart Posted: 01 May 2017 09:11 AM PDT https://twitter.com/CaptainZack_/status/858906026145460224 Read the text above the chart, not just the chart. Thought this was a useful addition to the discussion about Ledge Grab Limits. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted: 01 May 2017 08:35 AM PDT His dad's text: https://twitter.com/MrSir64/status/858865817664049153 He placed 2nd to last in his placement pool losing 4/5 matches and was sent to the last division (4th) in the tournament due to the new Waterfall tournament format. This makes it quite hard to advance as he needed to win many sets to get up to D1 but wasn't impossible. Over the span of the day, he upset his seeding and won significant matches and advanced all the way up to division 2 where he finally placed 65th. Something no one expected. Though what mattered to me the most was the support from our Northern Virginia scene and the rest of the Smash 64 community cheering him on while his parents were watching. It was an amazing experience. His dad texted me later that day to thank me and our community for making that day one of the best days in his life. Always good to see the community unify over moments like this. Qapples Twitter: https://twitter.com/QapplesSsb Photo of the crowd: [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
| One of the largest PM events of all time will be the Bigger Balc! 303 entrants so far!!! Posted: 01 May 2017 02:09 AM PDT Register here if you want to be part of an amazingly special PM National with over half the top 50 PM players showing up! Of course Melee is open for registration too! As well as Rivals of Aether! [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted: 01 May 2017 02:47 PM PDT Sup, it's dB | Wisely, Tomorrow I'm talking with Shiny Zubat and burntsocks about Yoshi! If you have any questions for either of them, post in the comments and I'll choose a few for the live interview. Wondering about parrying in PM? Want to hear about Yoshi's ridiculous egg tosses? Send some questions our way, and we'll let you know! You ever tune into a stream and hear, "Uhhh. I dunno Lucario. He's probably canceling some stuff right now..."? Yeah, that sucks, and I get it. Time to fix that, one character at a time. In the end, we'll have a playlist full of talks from top players about what they find hype about their character. Maybe not a "How-To-Play 101", but for viewers or commentators figuring out what to get excited about, it's exactly we need. They'll all be interviewed live on Down B Collaborations' Hitbox, and then posted to our YouTube! See you all tomorrow! [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
| A Case For a Non God Top 5 Member Posted: 01 May 2017 02:04 PM PDT I made an analysis of what I believe are the 4-8 spots in the melee rankings. Would love to see agreements/disagreements with what I said. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UmXn0qHSAGN7mbBQB7-vdjyUaHhZyePvBeHT4vKnSgw/pub [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
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| Fox Shorts: Buffered Shield Drops Posted: 01 May 2017 06:15 PM PDT
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| Introducing SSB World Player Blogs Posted: 01 May 2017 03:49 PM PDT Today we are excited to launch Player Blogs on our site. Simply put, this gives the players on our site the ability to create blog posts that are featured on their profile page and will eventually be featured across the site. Read our introduction post here. This post gives an overview of what we are hoping to accomplish with this new section. View our Smash Player Blog here to see the 9 posts that are already submitted and live. Consider this as an alternative to Twitlonger or a series of tweets. A chance to share your Smash knowledge and build your personal brand as a Smash pro. We hope this can become a daily resource of fresh Smash content. [link] [comments] | ||||||||||||||||||||
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